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Post by SamZiegler on Wed May 24, 2017 6:37 pm

Chapter Two Responses

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by SamZiegler on Wed May 24, 2017 7:09 pm

General Understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text? How do you know?
The key idea in Chapter Two is how the society on the island begins to deteriorate. The kids go up to the mountain to make fire, and several times Jack tells Piggy to "shut up" because the rules don't apply on the mountain. Piggy argues that they should've built shelter first, instead of the fire that is now burning a lot bigger than they intended. In this chapter, we are also introduced to the idea of the beast. One of the little kids says that there is a snake monster on the island, and while that idea is dismissed by Ralph and the older boys, the idea of some sort of beast sticks in everyone's head. These ideas of the beast and the rules not applying are ultimately what rips the tribe apart later, and both are developed very early on in the book.
Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
The book never addresses what happened to the little kid with the mark on his face. His disappearance is realized by the boys late in the chapter, but that is the only mention of it in the book. I would assume the book left this unstated to make the reader believe that there might be a beast that killed him or something like that. In this section of the chapter, the boys seem more focused on blaming Piggy than worrying about the lost kid, which indicate that he wasn't very important, and also that the tribe wasn't very worried about losing people, almost like they had already accepted that it was going to happen.
Golding uses the title, Fire on the Mountain, for chapter two. I believe that this is done because the fire symbolizes the start of the deterioration of the society on the island. Everything that divides the tribe later in the book starts in this chapter, and the fire is a perfect representation of that. When Jack says that the rules don't apply on the mountain, he happens to be standing next to the fire. I believe that this was done on purpose by Golding to show what the fire really was.
Word Study:
Gesticulated (pg. 34) He gesticulated widely.
If someone gesticulates, they are gesturing to emphasize what they are saying.
The speaker gesticulated to grab the room's attention.
Ebullience (pg. 38) Then, with the martyred expression of a parent who has to keep up with the senseless ebullience of children, he picked up the conch, turned toward the forest, and began to pick his way over the tumbled scar.
If someone is ebullient, they are cheerful and full of energy.
The girl was full of ebullience at her birthday party.
Officious (pg. 40) There was pushing and pulling and officious cries.
If someone is officious, they are intrusively enthusiastic in offering help or advice.
The officious man tried to help calm the situation.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by Johnson chen on Thu May 25, 2017 4:51 pm

General Understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?
The key idea in this chapter is that the government or rules that Ralph made are going down because Jack and Piggy are having an argument whether they should make a fire or a place to live first. And when Piggy talks crap about Jack and the fire, Jack keeps telling Piggy to shut up which could probably cause a fall in their ruling way because Piggy says he has the conch. Which means he has the right to talk because Ralph said whoever has the conch can speak, but then Jack said the rules don't apply on the mountain where Jack dominates. Another key idea is that one of the boys mention a beastie or a snake like thing that is on the island. So maybe the beast could probably scare the little kids making them turned against each other.
Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
When the story introduces the little kids one of them was describe by saying this kid's face one side all nice and good but the other has this scar or mark that nobody and even him knows where it came from. While talking about the beast the little boy that mentions it suddenly disappers abd nobody knew that he was even gone why is that, was it because he wasn't important or nobody really cares who he is.
Golding uses, Fire on the Mountain, as his chaptet 2 title because a fire is a dangerous thing in society because when a fire occurs it burns things up. So the reason why I think Golding title it that because when Jack mentions fire thats when everything went down. Basically making up his decisions on his own because fire is what people need and fire is important to cook and keep them warm. But most important to kill their government created by Ralph.
Word Study:
Murmur (pg. 46) A murmur rose among the boys and died away.
If someone or something makes a murmur he or she or it is a soft, indistinct sound made by a person or group of people speaking quietly or at a distance.
His voice was little more than a murmur.
Capering (pg. 44) Beneath the capering boys a quarter of a mile square of forest was savage with smoke and flame.
If someone is capering he or she is skip or dance about in a lively or playful way.
Children were capering about the room.
Indignant (pg.43) Daring, indignant, Piggy took the conch.
If someone is indignant then he or she is feeling or showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair treatment.
He was indignant at being the object of suspicion.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by BrandonN on Thu May 25, 2017 7:29 pm

Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
The author does not make it clear why out of all the little kids piggy could of said the boy with the scare is the one he worries about. Yes that's the boy who what going on about the snakes and the beasts but none of the other boys brought him up or even thought about his whereabouts.
General Understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text? How do you know?
In chapter two the key idea is that Ralph is trying to build a community in a way by have rules and everyone has their own part like how it would be back home for them. Yet all the other boys act along with it but piece by piece it falls apart, everyone is having high tensions because the fire they tried to make ended up burning many of the trees and their wood, also that there could be a beast or snakes in side the jungle and that jack is being mean to piggy while piggy rants on about everything putting peoples mood down.
   Fire on the Mountain is used for the title in chapter two because towards the end of the chapter is where the order they had and everything else is falling apart in this chapter you can tell that jack is gonna be a major problem for them. This part in the book starts the group spliting.
Word vocab:
  Clamor (pg.34) At once there was a clamor
If something clamors it makes a loud and confused noise.
The boys in lotf clamor often.
  Spontaneously (pg.37) Spontaneously they began to clap and presently the platform was loud
If someones does something spontaneously they do it of a sudden impulse and without premeditation.
Many wars start spontaneously.
  Clambering (pg.38) Ralph was already clambering over the first swathes of scar.
If Someone does something clambering they climb, move, or get in or out of something in an awkward and laborious way.
When I climb through a window I do it in a clambering way.

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Chapter 2 Responses

Post by Megan G on Fri May 26, 2017 6:47 pm

Inferences
Where does the author leave texts uncertain or unstated?

Golding never tells us what happens to the little boy with the mark on his face. He mentions it later on in the chapter, but never tells us what actually happened to him. The other little boys however never noticed that he was missing so it implies that the boy wasn't very important to them and it's as if they already know that some of the boys are not going to leave the island alive.

General Understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?
The key idea of Chapter 2 is the boys government/rules are going down hill. The boys go up the mountain to build a fire. Jack tell Piggy to "shut up" many times because the rules don't apply on the mountain. Piggy still argues that they should've built shelter first, instead of building the fire.

I think Golding names this chapter "Fire on the Mountain" because fire is dangerous and it could spread and destroy other things. The fire represents disorder in society, so I believe that when Jack first suggests a fire, that is when all of the rules and their "government" falls apart.

Vocabulary

gesticulated (pg. 34) "He gesticulated widely."
Friendly definition - using gestures, especially dramatic ones, instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words.

clamored (pg. 38) "Jack clamored among them, the conch forgotten."
Friendly definition - (of a group of people) shout loudly and insistently

ebullience (pg. 38) "Then, with the martyred expression of a parent who has to keep up with the senseless ebullience of the children..."
Friendly definition - the quality of being cheerful and full of energy; exuberance

assented (pg. 42) "They assented."
Friendly definition - express approval or agreement, typically officially

tumult (pg. 43) " He paused in the tumult..."
Friendly definition - a loud, confused noise, especially one caused by a large mass of people

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by donovandj1025 on Fri May 26, 2017 7:36 pm

1.Vocabulary & Text Structure(How can meaning be altered by changing key words)
"The crowd was as silent as death"(p.43) This book identifies the concept of evil and in class we discussed the reference between death/evil and how it is resembled through the name The Lord of The Flies. Golding uses "silent as death" because it gives off a dark tone.
2.General Understanding(What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?)
During chapter 2 since Ralph was elected as leader he was trying to build a community and implement rules through the community to make the community civil. Jack's hunters are in charge of the fire and while they are out hunting the fire on the hill goes out. Ralph and Piggy spot a plane but since the fire is out the plane isnt notified that there are people. When Jack and his hunters return he is confronted by Piggy and Ralph about the fire going out. Jack feeling attacked gets angry and tells Piggy to shut up repeatedly, but Piggy keeps bringing up the fact that he has the right to speak because he is holding the conch.
Golding chooses "Fire on The Mountains" because fire is one of the most important parts of survival for the boys. Fire is their source of light warmth during the night and it helps them cook raw food. But most importantly the smoke from the fire could possibly help notify any ships and or planes passing by.
(1)Clambering(p.38) If you are clambering then you are possibly climbing or moving out of something. I clambered out the trench
(2)Officious(p.40) if someone is officious then they are authoritative or assertive. Mary doesn't like it when officious strangers try to start a conversation in the checkout line
(3)Capering(p.44) If you are capering then you are moving around lively(dancing ,skipping) Children were capering around the room

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by MichaelNguyenPer4 on Sat May 27, 2017 11:07 am

Vocabulary & Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
Goldberg uses foreshadowing. As the boys are making their plan on how to be rescue. They plan to create a signal fire on the top of the mountain. Goldberg foreshadows disaster when he describe a big log that Sam, Ralph, Jack, Simon, Roger, and Maurice finds a "grotesque dead thing." They are doing something ominous and unnatural. We are going to expect something horrible to happen because Goldberg doesn't describe the log as a positive source for fuel.
General Understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text? How do you know?
The key idea/theme of chapter two is when society on the island begins to worsen over time. On the island Ralph and other boys have problems on what's going or already on the island. Piggy suggests that they should create shelter first. Then the fire, but Instead they started the fire. Piggy is also getting lots of shut ups from Ralph showing that Ralph isn't taking Piggy's opinions seriously. One little kids says that there is a beast monster-like on the island causing the group to become frighten, and change decision on who should be their leader. Ralph isn't taking anything serious about stopping or killing the beast. When Jack is into to it.
Why did Golding titled the first chapter "Fire on the Mountain"?
The title represents the fire on the mountain as when the boys are running up to the top of the mountain to make a signal fire, but they find they have no matches so they forcibly take Piggy's glasses and start the fire. The boys unleash an inferno which they are unable to control. They burn the top of the island. This shows that the boys have no idea how to handle the force that a fire can bring. They are very chaotic and impulsive.
Gesticulated (34) "He gesticulated widely."
Defintion - a movement or position of the hand, arm, body, head, or face that is expressive of an idea, opinion, emotion, etc.
Sentence - Someone gesticulated during the speech.
Exasperation (36) "...the little boy in mixed amusement and exasperation."
Definition - to irritate or provoke to a high degree; annoy extremely
Sentence - Someone is using exasperation to frighten the group.
Officious (40) "There was pushing and pulling and officious cries."
Definition - unwanted services, help, or advice; meddlesome
Sentence - If you end up officious, then I won't annoy you.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by _Karlitos :v on Sat May 27, 2017 4:59 pm

*Text depending questions
-How can meaning be altered by changing key words?
In pg. 38, in this passage: "Then with the martyred expression of a parent who has to keep up with the senseless ebullience of the children, he picked up the conch, turned toward the forest, and began to pick his wat over the tumbled star."
The meaning of the passage could be altered if Golding, the author, would've choose a synonym of martyred, instead of the word martyred for describing Piggy's expression. For example, if the author would've chosen the word suffering, which is a synonym of martyred, the reason for Piggy's expression would be unclear. Because the word martyred means that a person is suffering as consequence of being tormented,  and the word suffering has a less specific meaning.
-Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
In pg. 40, in this passage, "Now the twins, with unsuspected intelligence, came up the mountain with armfuls of dried leaves and dumped them against the pile." Golding, the author, leaves unclear why did he bescribed Sam and Eric as boys with unsuspected intelligence. I mean, why unsuspected? Did they look unintelligent because of their age or appearance? If not, why unsuspected?
-Why did the author titled the 2nd chapter as "Fire on the Mountain"?
From my perspective, the author titled the 2nd chapter as "Fire on the Mountain" because in this chapter, the boys decided to make a fire on the top of the mountain for helping ships to find them, which was Ralph's idea for him and all the other boys to be rescued from the island.
-Words I didn't know (I didn't know tens of them because english is not my first language, but I choosed to work with 3 of them).
*babble (pg. 37) :"Voices babbled. The simple statement, unbacked by any proof but the weight of Ralph's new authority, brought light and hapiness." Friendly definition of _babble: When someone talks in a way that is hard for you understaqnd him/her. Sentence with babble: The voices babbling in the movie theater didn't let me listen to what the movie's characters were saying.
*scornfully (pg 38.) "'Little kids', he said scornfully.'Acting like a crowd of kids!'" Friendly definition _scornfully: When you do something without respect for it or with contempt . Sentence with scornfully: She scorfully looked at them and said:" These losers already want to be like me."
*tinder-dry (pg. 41): "The pile was so rotten, and now so tinder-dry, that whole limbs yielded passionately to the yellow flames that poured upwards and shook a great beard of flame twenty feet in the air." Friendly definition of _tinder-dry: When a plant or group of plants is very dry and burning. Sentence with tinder-dry : And he looked at the tinder dry foliage with sadness, because it was the place where he used to camp with his friend swhen he was a child.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by its.amy.13 on Sun May 28, 2017 11:26 am

Author's Purpose
From whose point of view is the text told? 1st person? 3rd person limited/omniscient?
              The author wrote this in 3rd person omniscient because you get to hear the thoughts of the other characters but there is also no I or me's used which indicates that it's not 1st person. I don't think that it could be 3rd person limited because that would mean you don't get a feel has to why someone feels a certain way. Pg. 45 says that Piggy was going to put down the conch but after considering his options decided not to and the readers got to see what exactly he was thinking. Pg. 31 explains what no one said that they couldn't kill the pig because of how grave it would be if he did. This page has the thoughts of all three of the children because everyone already knew why but it wasn't actually said aloud.

Chapter 2- Fire on the Mountain
I think Golding named this chapter Fire on the Mountain because of the significance of them building a fire on top of a mountain to make sure they send out a signal for all who come their way. Fire gets people's attention when nothing else will. I don't know what it is about fire, how one will never be like the other, it draws people to it. It's like a moth and light even though it hurts the month to go near the light, the moth goes anyway propelled by the need to be close to the light. One word out of Ralph and Jack talking about a fire and everyone makes sure to join in helping create the beast of a fire. This is one of the few times all the children pitch in to carry something along. During this time, they were actually a working team.

1. Induced(35)- "At last Ralph induced him to hold the shell but by then the blow of laughter had taken away the child's voice."
succeed in persuading or influencing (someone) to do something.
2. Spontaneously(37)- "Spontaneously they began to clap and presently the platform was loud with applause."
as a result of a sudden impulse and without premeditation.
3. Nimbly(44)- "The heart of flame leapt nimbly across flaring along the whole row of them."
quick and light in movement or action; agile.


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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by aya on Sun May 28, 2017 4:35 pm

1) Vocabulary and text structure – What role do the individual paragraphs, sentences, phrases, or words play?
On page 44-45, piggy keeps repeating the phrase “I’ve got the conch” this shows the role the conch plays in this story. If you don’t have the conch in your hand, then you weren’t allowed to speak. However, when piggy has it, that rule does not seem to work. The character of piggy seems to like order and laws and rules, but does not have the power to enforce them. He’s seen as weak and unimportant, but he’s the one that comes up with most of the ideas on the island.
2) Vocabulary and text structure – How does organization contribute to meaning?
Throughout this chapter, starting on page 32, the kids on the island are enforcing rules and starting to work out ideas on how to survive on the island. They’re slowly becoming dependant on themselves and on each other to survive. At this point, they’re doing good and really trying, but it doesn’t go on for long. This organization shows that when they have a leader such as Ralph that they actually listen to and trust in, they can survive better on the island.

This chapter is named “Fire on the Mountain” because the fire is their way to get rescued. It’s practically their number one priority at that moment. Plus its keeping them working together and having order.

1) Hindering (34) – If someone is hindering, they are creating difficulties for someone or something, resulting in delay or obstruction.
- You’re hindering Ralph.
2) Gesticulated (34) – If you gesticulate, you use gestures, especially dramatic ones, instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words.
- He gesticulated widely.
3) Interpreting (35) - If you interpret, you explain the meaning of.
- Piggy knelt by him, one hand on the great shell, listening and interpreting to the assembly.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by EthanGomez on Sun May 28, 2017 5:51 pm

Author's Purpose

From whose point of view is the text told?
-The chapter and mainly the whole book is written in 3rd person omniscient, the reader knows what do the characters think, what they say and what they do, for example in page 37 is says ''He paused with the point made. The assembly was lifted toward safety by his words. They liked and now respected him.'' Here the reader knows what do the kids are  thinking about their leader (Ralph), and what they did after his words.

What is the key idea/theme of the text?What is the evidence?
-The key idea of this chapter is the creation of rules and the organization of the kids for a better ''society'' and coexistence, in page 39, each kid gives an idea/rule that might help everybody and could be part of the rules they were creating.

The chapter is called Fire on the Mountain because is the time when the kids decided to create fire on the island for being  warm during the night, and for make a sign to be rescued.

1. Grotesque (pg 39): Is something that is so unnatural, unpleasant, and exaggerated that it upsets or shocks you
-Then they inched the grotesque dead thing up the rock and toppled it over on top
2. Slant (pg 39): Something that slants is sloping, rather than horizontal or vertical.
-The morning sun slanted trough the mountain
3. Howl (pg 45): Is a long, loud, crying sound made by an animal such as a wolf  or a dog.
-Somewhere a dog suddenly howled, baying at he moon

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Post by MNguyen23 on Sun May 28, 2017 6:30 pm

What's the key idea theme of the text?
The key idea is that the boys government/leadership is being torn apart. Later on in the text, they build a fire but then Jack gets all angry at Piggy stating you shouldn't be doing this in the mountain. And also this isn't the foundation we set. Piggy then responds saying how if we built shelter first, nothing would go wrong.

From whose point of view is the text told?
Its in 3rd person Omni because the author gave us some impressions of the other characters by their thinking. Also in the text there was no I's used and there was no distinct feeling used in the text to describe the other characters.

Hindering: To create difficulties or problems
Slant: Somewhat made in a slope
Clamorely: To shout loudely

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by TheShadow on Sun May 28, 2017 9:16 pm

Key Details:
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing?

Yes there is shift in the writing page in  page 39 when when Roger and Jack were to busy hunting they forgot to add fuel to fire in which Ralph got made at Jack especially and his group.

Author's Purpose:
From whose point of view is the text told?

The text is told from a 3rd person point of view, because in the book the writer is talking about the characters actions, the setting, and the situation from the story which would most likely be viewed as a third person perspective.

This descent into savagery is represented by the shedding of clothing, the lengthy hair, and the painted faces, behind which they can attain anonymity and more easily perform their brutal acts.

The title is called "Fire on the Mountain", because in the story Ralph and everyone decides to make a huge bonfire for a signal for someone to pick them up also for warmth and light during the night.

Subsoil: In page 56, means the bed or stratum of earth or earthy material immediately under the surface soil. "The subsoil beneath the palm trees was a raised beach..." Example, the gravel had become the subsoil through the changes of the weather.

Impalpable: In page 55, means incapable of being perceived by the sense of touch; intangible. " With impalpable organs sense they examined this new field." Example, When I saw my first love at first sight I felt impalpable.

Remoteness: In page 55, means far apart or given from a distance. "...first an unsociable remoteness into something forbidding." Example, The games that I have played when I was a child where remoteness to me when I was eighteen years old.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by Zhiwei Huang on Sun May 28, 2017 11:02 pm

Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
In chapter two we are unsure when the six year old kid talks about the beast. The book never states what the kid actually saw. The image of the beast is left to us, in which later Simon states that it was the kids that are the beast, then what did the kid really see.
How can meaning be changed by changing key words?
On page 44,"...brief foliage of fire..." why didn't Golding just use leaves to have say that there are leaves on fire?
Foliage is to mean that there are really good leaves and a lot of them so that the fire may use all that fuel.

Why the title.
Golding chose this title because "Fire on the Mountain" is the fire that the kids make to have warmth and a beacon for help. The fire is a important for them because it is the thing that the kids fights over.
tirade-angry speech of criticism (page 45) "... they were listening to the tirade."
indignant-feeling of anger or annoyance (page 43) " Daring, indignant, Piggy took the conch."
tumult-loud confusing mass of noise caused by people (page 43) "He paused in the tumult, standing..."

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by Karen P on Mon May 29, 2017 7:49 pm

Key details
• Are there any shifts or poatterns in the writting? Look for signal words or phrases.
Disorder starts were the kids start to get o her the rules in little details like on page 38 when for the first time were everyone don't follow the rules, Golding writes: "...the conch was forgotten." The main rule and harmony is the conch the rules that is supposed to talk about the organization, because they are English.
Author's purpose
• How reliable is the narrator? How do you know?
In my point of view the narrator seems to be trustworthy, since he presents everyone ideas, agreements or disagreements among face expression, dialogue and sometimes telling their feelings and thoughts, just as when piggy has a disagreement to something, the narrator describes his disagreement face and sometimes his thoughts to it, and better the character days what he thinks about it.
Golding's reason to name the second chapter as "Fire on the Mountain" is the importance that the fire represents as disaster and anarchism inside a state of rules.
Word study:
Martyred (page 38): "Then, with the martyred expression of a parent who has to keep up with the senseless ebullience of the children..."
(Of an attitude or manner) showing feigned or exaggerated suffering to obtain sympathy or admiration.
Indignantly (page 42): '“I got the conch,” said Piggy indignantly. “You let me speak!”'
In a manner indicating anger or annoyance at something perceived as unfair.
Tumult (page 43): "He paused in the tumult, standing, looking beyond them and down theunfriendly side of the mountain to the great patch where they had found
dead wood."
A loud, confused noise, especially one caused by a large mass of people.

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by Cory James on Tue May 30, 2017 11:10 pm

General understanding
What is the key theme/idea of the text? What is the evidence?
Tthe key theme of the text is that breaking the rules of society you live in will eventually lead to the down fallof that society. Golding showes this in the part where piggy says "I've got the conch" and jack tells piggy to shut up. This incident showes how jack broke the rules of the conch and no one did anything about it. After that point in the chapter everything goes down hill. This showes how even breaking one rule will have negative effects in the society you live in
Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
In the text it says the little boy with the mark dissapears but we dont really know what happened to him. It is kind of strange how the little boy who talks about scary beasts and snakes being on the island is the one to dissapear. why not pick someone else to dissapear, why pick the kid who is companing about beasts to dissapear?
I think Golding uses the title "Fire on the mountain" for chapter 2 becuase the mountain is where they decide to put the fire. However i also think he used it becuase fire spreads, just like disorder, and towards the end of the chapter a little bit of disorder breaks out.
Word study
Clamored:(pg.38) "Jack clamored among them, the conch forgotten."
Definnition: To make a vehement protest or demand
Sentence: The pesants clamoring about their rights frightened the king
Officious:(pg.40) "There was pushing and pulling and officious cries."
Definition: Assertive of authority in an annoyingly domineering way, especially with regard to petty or trivial matters
Sentence: He was further told not to make himself too officious, and not to be too active in the case.
Indignant:(pg.43) "Daring, indignant, Piggy took the conch."
Definition: Feeling, characterized by, or expressing strong displeasure at something considered unjust, offensive, insulting, or base
Sentence: She wrote letters to each member of her school board because she was indignant.








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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by Chris_sawyer on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:02 pm

inference
who's story or perspective is not represented
piggy's perspective was not really shown because whenever he tried to talk jack and Ralph told him to shut up
Opinions and arguments
what questions does This text leave unanswered Or unexamined
jack says "we'll have rules" "lots of rules'' "then when anyone breaks em" "whee-oh! wacco! bong! dionk!" what does that mean?
the title is fire on the mountain he uses the title because later in the chapter they accidentally light the mountain on fire
clap page 37 if you heard thunder you heard the clap of lighting. he heard the lightning clap while he was driving.
thread page 37 if your hung by a thread your weakly supported. he hung on by a thread.
woodlice page 39 if you have grayish segmented body and seven pairs of legs you have woodlice. he found woodlice in his house.

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Chapter Two Response

Post by Broseph:D on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:49 pm

Questions:
How did the author develop the argument, explanations, or narrative?
Golding developed separated ways to explain what the group of boys do throughout the time they use to try to survive until help comes. He wanted to split Jack and Ralph up because they both had different ideas of surviving.
How reliable is the narrator?
The narrator does a decent job of how he (Golding) gives detail of how the boys struggle to keep things clean and trying to get along on the same page but things do start to go down hill after Jack's hunting group fails to get rescued the first time by a passing plane.

The name of this chapter is called "Fire on the mountain" because of the process that the team of boys try to do to get rescued as fast as possible. This does get screwed up due to a fire spread and parts of the island gets burnt.

Word study:
Gesticulate: "He gesticulated widely."(pg.34)
Use body movement, especially dramatic ones. Sentence: One boy was shouting and the was gesticulating at the other.
Conspiratorial: "He flashed a conspiratorial grin at the other two (pg.37) relating to a secret plan made by a group of people. Sentence: They thought that we were talking about some sort of conspiratorial conversation.
Decayed: "...found too little soil for full growth, fell early and decayed."(pg.39) Rot or decompose. Sentence: the plants in our history class have already decayed.



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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by Manthan21 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:37 pm

What is the key idea of the text?

This is one of the chapters where you can tell everyone is losing there patients and everything is falling apart. such as how the little boy said that there is a beast having people panic and making everyone scared and not work together

Who's story is not represented?

I think piggy has all these good ideas of how he can help everyone stay together and work together to survive, and nobody really listens to him because people might think that his ideas aren't good ones but they are.

The author titled it the way he did because this is where the kids get the idea to make a fire just in case someone passes through and sees them. but then they let the fire die out and nobody could see them

Decayed(39)- if something decays it rots or decomposes

Clamored(38)- if someone clamors then they make a demand

Indignantly(42)- if someone has a indignantly tone they are annoyed

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Re: Chapter Two Responses

Post by fwcarlitos_ on Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:26 pm

Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
The book never addresses what happened to the little kid with the mark on his face. His disappearance is realized by the boys late in the chapter, but that is the only mention of it in the book. I would assume the book left this unstated to make the reader believe that there might be a beast that killed him or something like that. In this section of the chapter, the boys seem more focused on blaming Piggy than worrying about the lost kid, which indicate that he wasn't very important, and also that the tribe wasn't very worried about losing people, almost like they had already accepted that it was going to happen.

From whose point of view is the text told? 1st person? 3rd person limited/omniscient?
The author wrote this in 3rd person omniscient because you get to hear the thoughts of the other characters but there is also no I or me's used which indicates that it's not 1st person. I don't think that it could be 3rd person limited because that would mean you don't get a feel has to why someone feels a certain way. Pg. 45 says that Piggy was going to put down the conch but after considering his options decided not to and the readers got to see what exactly he was thinking. Pg. 31 explains what no one said that they couldn't kill the pig because of how grave it would be if he did. This page has the thoughts of all three of the children because everyone already knew why but it wasn't actually said aloud.

How reliable is the narrator? How do you know?
In my point of view the narrator seems to be trustworthy, since he presents everyone ideas, agreements or disagreements among face expression, dialogue and sometimes telling their feelings and thoughts, just as when piggy has a disagreement to something, the narrator describes his disagreement face and sometimes his thoughts to it, and better the character days what he thinks about it.
Golding's reason to name the second chapter as "Fire on the Mountain" is the importance that the fire represents as disaster and anarchism inside a state of rules.


Tinder- dry (pg. 41): "The pile was so rotten, and now so tinder . . .“

Impalpable- incapable of being perceived by the sense of touch; intangible (pg. 55): " With impalpable organs sense they examined this new field."

Indignant- Feeling, characterized by, or expressing strong displeasure at something considered unjust (pg.43) "Daring, indignant, Piggy took the conch."

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