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Post by aya on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:52 pm

Inferences - where does the text leaves matters uncertain or unstated?
The text leaves matters unstated on page 190. Ralph asks Sam and Eric what jack would do if he found Ralph. They answered with, “Roger sharpened a stick at both ends.” Ralph didn't get what that meant, but we know that when roger did that before, he used it to stick the pig's head on it. So they were going to kill Ralph and cut of his head and put it on a stick. They were going to sacrifice him to the beast.
2) why did the author name the chapter “Cry of the hunters”
one reason why this chapter is named “Cry of the Hunters” Is because at the end, when the officer found the kids, they all started to cry. Another reason would be when they were trying to catch ralph.

1) elaborate (183) - “he peered with elaborate caution between branches at the edge….”
If something is elaborate, it involves many carefully arranged parts or details.
The building had elaborate security precautions.
2) leaden (184) - “the best thing to do is to ignore this leaden feeling about the heart and rely on their common sense.”
If something is leaden, it's is dull, heavy or slow.
She had this leaden feeling that she couldn't shake off.
3) wrenched (185) - “he wrenched the quivering stick from the crack and held it as a spear between him and the white pieces.”
To wrench Something is to pull or twist.
I wrenched the tool from his hand.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by SamZiegler on Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:26 pm

Inferences
Whose story/perspective is not represented?
Throughout chapter twelve, the only perspective the story is told through is Ralph's. I believe that Golding did this on purpose, so that the reader would not have any knowledge about what the hunters were planning, except for what Sam and Eric tell Ralph, which itself is still limited. This makes for a more high stakes, climatic ending to the book because the only thing that the reader knows is that the hunters are coming to get Ralph, what they are going to do to him is still uncertain. Also, I believe that Ralph's thoughts were valuable to the overall story in this chapter, as they show how he hasn't changed from when he first landed on the island. Ralph still thinks about making the signal fire so that they can have smoke, even though he is no longer in possession of the glasses. This shows that even after everything the Jack and the hunters have done to Ralph, he still cared enough to try and get them rescued with him. Finally, when Ralph talks to Sam and Eric, he asks why Jack wants to hunt him, as Ralph believes that he has done nothing that should warrant this type of aggression. The twins tell him that his common sense doesn't matter. which really reveals that Jack wants to hunt Ralph just because he can. Once Ralph is gone, so are the rules, which gives Jack exactly what he wants, freedom to do what he wants and the power he needs to do it. By not having Jack's perspective in this chapter, it allows us to learn more about the fundamental difference between Ralph and Jack. Ralph wants rules so that everyone stays in line and does their fair share, which will hopefully lead to getting rescued. Jack wants freedom to do what he wants, he wants power on the island, and he doesn't seem to care too much about whether or not they are ever rescued.
Vocabulary and Text Structure
Why do authors begin and end when they do?
Golding ends Lord of the Flies when the navy finds the boys, and one of the officers saves Ralph from the hunters while mistaking it for a game. After realizing they are safe, the boys cry, their innocence gone, mourning those that they lost. This is an interesting end for the book, because based off of the theme and events, the reader would most likely assume that the book would end with either Jack or Ralph being killed. This seems to be more fitting, but Golding's ending has it's own message. In a place where savages have taken over with no rules to restrain them, and they are hunting the last remnant of society, Ralph, all it takes to restore order is grown-ups who treat the boys like kids. All of the power that Jack had is gone, and simultaneously, all of the fear that Ralph had disappears. Golding is saying that all it takes to restore order to a lawless society is someone who has more power. The kids know that they can't kill Ralph with the naval officer there, because that will have consequences and punishment. The threat of these things is what really keeps people in line, being good citizens. People aren't necessarily afraid of these laws themselves, people are afraid of the consequences that come with breaking such laws. The best way to keep someone from doing something bad is to punish them for it, as it is instinct to avoid punishment. The boys all know this, and along with the knowledge that grown-ups are always in charge, makes them stop their hunt and realize that what they have done is wrong. This is why the book ends with the boys crying, it shows that now that they think about what they have done, they have realized just how awful it was, and that Ralph was right, rules were the only thing that could hold them together.
Golding uses the title. Cry of the Hunters, for chapter twelve. This is done for two reasons. The first is the literal cry of the hunters as they are hunting Ralph, as it is yet another symbol of the hunter's savagery. They are communicating about when they find the boy that they want to kill, which is definitely a stark contrast from being polite British schoolboys. The second is at the end of the book, when all of the boys, including the hunters, are crying after being rescued by the navy. This shows that after all of the events of the book, these savages are still human, and they are kids who should never have had to see the things that they went through. They are also crying out of regret, they killed Simon and Piggy, and they would have killed Ralph if they weren't rescued at that very moment. No matter how far the hunters slipped, this shows that there is still humanity left in them.
Word Study:
Indefinable (pg. 184) Then there was that indefinable connection between himself and Jack; who therefore would never let him alone; never.
If something is indefinable, it is not able to be described.
The painting he was looking at was indefinable.
Cynically (pg. 185) He walked slowly into the middle of the clearing and looked steadily at the skull that gleamed as white as ever the conch had done and seemed to jeer at him cynically.
If someone is cynical, they are concerned only with their own interests.
The politician was very cynical.
Yearned (pg. 190) He yearned for a bed and sheets - but the only whiteness here was slow spilt milk, luminous round the rock forty feet below, where Piggy has fallen.
If you yearn, you have an intense feeling of longing for something.
The little boy yearned for his toys.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by BrandonN on Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:16 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
Why do authors begin and end when they do?
Inferences
Whose story/perspective is not represented?
In chapter twelve Golding does no show Jacks perspective. Which would of been nice while Jack was looking for Ralph in the jungle. But only Ralphs was shown. I think this was done because Ralph was the main character Ralph matters more than the rest because without Ralph there would not be a good story, just a bunch of boys hunting.
In Chapter twelve Golding uses the title "Cry of the Hunter" this is done because the hunters screams while looking for Ralph. Also at the end when they all started crying when they were being saved, after realizing what they have done it all hit them at once.
Word study:
Covert (pg.183) Ralph lay in covert, wondering about his wounds
If someone shows covert you are not openly acknowledged or displayed.
People who are nonconformist are covert.
Luminous (pg.187) the top. Far below the armpit he saw the luminous flow
If something is luminous its full of or shedding light; bright or shineing.
The moon at night has a luminous glow.
Ululation (pg.200) The ululation falterd and died away.
If something is ululation it is howling or wail as an expression of strong emotion.
When a owner leaves their dog sometimes they do ululation.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by its.amy.13 on Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:03 pm

Inferences
Where does the author leave matters unstated or uncertain?
The officer that in on the boat is he from the enemy side? Is that why he looks at the boys with distain rather than joy that he has found the boys that were lost? Was the boat out looking for where the plane crashed or did he just happen to see the very large fire coming off the island? Why did the only that thing that had actually worked mean that the chilren had to literally try to kill each other before someone came and found them? If the boat had never showed up would they have actually killed Ralph or could he get away? If the boat had not shown up when they all be die due to the fact that they were hungry savages? How would Ralph actually gotten away from the others if after the fire there was nowhere else to hide?
Chapter 12 Cry of the Hunters
Maybe for this one the hunters don’t actually want to kill anyone or anything else than what they’ve already done, but they can't help overcoming their animal desires to rip off the flesh of anything alive. They are crying out for help maybe for Ralph to save them, maybe to the boat that came after the fire was lit, or maybe to themselves they are crying out because they know what they have done and it is wrong and they shouldn’t do it anymore. They need help but they can’t find anyone who would be kind enough to help them because everyone has become animalistic.

Hastily(198)-"He could see a striped savage moving hastily out of a green tangle..."
with excessive speed or urgency; hurriedly.
Obscurity(199)-"The savage peered into the obscurity beneath the thicket."
the state of being unknown, inconspicuous, or unimportant
Triumph(192)-"his feeling of triumph faded."
a great victory or achievement

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Post by Broken Glasses on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:57 am

Vocab
gnaw: bite at or nibble something persistently
vived: producing powerful and strong feelings
Fronds: a life-like palm

Why is the final chapter of the book called the "cry of the hunters"? Well, I believe this has a double meaning. Firstly it refers to how they see themselves as hunts and have let that persona consume them, wailing and charging without a thought. Secondly, it is possible that since we end the book with tears in all of their eyes he could be referring to the crying

Why may the author have chosen one word over another?
I can't imagine why he didn't choose whailes or anything like that. The cry doesn't seem to have the dual purpose that cries do and that is its signifacance.

Why did the author start and end when they did?
I have no clue. I think that the most tension was in that scene and it was taken care or incredibly fast. It is possible that he was trying to express some message to the audience, and by this time he has exhausted all he can from this theoretical simulation. A lot can be said about this last chapter. How the majority will come down on the minority. How rules will be replaced by instinct and instant gratification if not maintain and enforced. The last chapter is a great place to start if one is trying to formulate an argument about society.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by MNguyen23 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:04 pm

Chapter 12 Responses

Inferences - where does the text leaves matters uncertain or unstated?
The text leaves matters unstated on page 190. Ralph asks Sam and Eric what jack would do if he found Ralph. They answered with, “Roger sharpened a stick at both ends.” Since they still didn't explain the main idea of how they found Ralph.

Whose story/perspective is not represented?
In chapter twelve Golding does no show Jacks perspective since he mainly only focus on Ralph and the other workers
Vocab
Hastily: Angry attitude
Luminous: Bright Light
Yearned: Intensed Feeling

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by Karen P on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:45 pm

General Understanding:
What is the Key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?
The change of the human behavior when rules are forgotten, and power is used as weapon from someone who doesn't think morally anymore (a chief, a bad rules) this way triggering a bad system, and as the psycology of evil said, turning people evil in a bad situation that they don't know how to manage. Unexperienced the kids only follow a chief that promises what kids desire: freedom and fun, priorities of someone who doesn't think maturely as an adult to rule. The disorganized tribe acts as savages in a hunting, in this case a human, this is illogical; crying and running desesperates as evilness run in their body liking the feeling to have power over other's life, power the main reason if evilness, even in the ones that don't have it, but giving power to a powerless person end this way.

Inferences:
Whose Story/perspective is not represented?
The twelve chapter laves Jack's perspective aside, now without the main characteristics of the reasoning, the reason talks finally by itself, Ralph alone is the spirit of logic wit hour intelligence and inuition but something little learned form then. Jack is only talking of the whole chapter crying and running, as a uncivilized character, maybe the idea that Golding wanted to implant in the last part was that this dehumanization also lead to a no thinking, the character mostly act by his impulses and by what he desires, evil and consumed by power this might represent how powerful people end when they are on the top after risking all and fighting for what tgbey most wanted, they end being a different thing but not a human, a being that doesn't think like a human (normalized and morally), maybe they think different that humans can't understand; same as Jack, maybe our society rules what is evil, maybe Jack wasn't evil after all, just a being acting as what we truly are an animal.

The title "Cry of the Hunters" talked about their behavior that the tribe developed fsst, crying as dehumanized beings hunting, not a civilized acting for a British kid. Contrasting the attitude of the children from the begging, innocent kids that tried to had fun even in the sort situation; to the end of the book, demonstrating how slowly the group turned to have primitive nature, brutal and evil, founded by a supposed officer.

Word Search:
1) Inquisitive (page 185): " An inquisitive ant was busy in one of the eye sockets but otherwise the thing was lifeless."
curious or inquiring.
2) Acrid (page 186): "He rubbed his cheek along his forearm, smelling the acrid scent of salt and sweat and the staleness of dirt."
having an irritatingly strong and unpleasant taste or smell.
3) Inimical (page 187): "To carry he must speak louder; and this would rouse those striped and inimical creatures from their feasting by the fire."
tending to obstruct or harm.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by Johnson chen on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:12 pm

General Understanding:
What is the Key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?
The theme of this chapter is when people don't have responsibility people will take things easy and won't listen because Ralph and Piggy together make rules and tell others what to do. But no one listens because they think since there's no adults then there are no rules. And they think wrong because the responsibility goes to someone else and then the rules and rebellion. Without rules people like Jack can become savages and kill others without reasoning or getting trouble because there's no rules of what happens when you do wrong. Also being a leader and giving kids what they want isn't a good leader it's more like being a corrupted leader like Jack and Ralph because neither of them were good leaders anyways.
Inferences - where does the text leaves matters uncertain or unstated?
Golding calls this chapter, "Cry of the Hunters," because first of all these are british boys and when on the island they act like savages, crying for meat and death of others. And through the days of the island there has been a lot of evil and brutal things on the island, so them crying in front of the person who saved them made them feel sorry for being savages i think.
Word Bank:
Inimical (pg.187) "To carry he must speak louder; and this would rouse those striped and inimical creatures from their feasting by the fire."
If someone is inimical, they are tending to obstruct or harm.
Actions inimical to our interests.
Ululation (pg.200) The ululation falterd and died away.
If something is ululation, then it is howling or wail as an expression of
strong emotion.
Women were ululating as the body was laid out.
Covert (pg.183) Ralph lay in covert, wondering about his wounds
If someone shows covert, then you are not openly acknowledged or displayed.
Covert operations against the
dictatorship.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by Shannon Poston on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:53 pm

General understanding
what is the key idea/theme of the text?
The key idea is that rules are forgotten when there aren't any adults around. And then when kids are left alone for a long time they start to realize that rules are important and that they help the environment that they are in.
Inferences
where does the text leave matter uncertain or unstated?
we don't know who the officer in the boat is. is he a friendly person or an enemy. all we know is that they come to rescue the kids on the island.

i believe the title of the chapter is "Cry of the hunter" because they are finally about to give up when a boat come sot saver them and then they are all happy because they can finally get off the island.

VOCAB
Inimical (page 187): "To carry he must speak louder; and this would rouse those striped and inimical creatures from their feasting by the fire."
tending to obstruct or harm.
Hastily(198)-"He could see a striped savage moving hastily out of a green tangle..."
with excessive speed or urgency; hurriedly.
leaden (184) - “the best thing to do is to ignore this leaden feeling about the heart and rely on their common sense.”
If something is leaden, it's is dull, heavy or slow.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by _Karlitos :v on Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:15 pm

*Text depending questions
-Vocabulary & text structure
Why may have the author chosen one word over another?
In pg. 183 : "But really, thought Ralph, this was not bill. This was a savage whose image refused to blend with that ancient picture of a boy in shorts and shirt." In his passage, Goding used the phrase "ancient picture" to explain how Ralph perceived the drastic change of Bill (and all the savages) from civilized school boys to savage hunters. But why "ancient picture"? Because the time that has passed since Ralph and the other boys arrived seemed long for him, since the boys now are almost unrecognizable with the painting in the face and being almost naked. And the author used the word "ancient" instead of "old" or "past" to hyperbolize Ralph's perception of the change of Bill, maybe with the purpose of emphasizing the drasticness of Bill's (and the other boys') change.

-Opinions, Arguments,Intertextual connections
What questions does this text left unaswered/unexamined that may be worthy of being researched?
In pg. 202, in this passage: "I know. Jolly good show .Like the coral island." It is left unanswered what did the officer mean with "Like the Coral Island." But, after I investigated a little ( just a little because I am pretty lazy), now I understood what he meant. The Coral Island is a book from the middle 1800's about something like a group of boys having adventures in an island. So, he meant that he though the boys had fun in the island. Of course they did...

-Why did the author named the 12th chapter as "Cry of the hunters"
Because the boys cried out when they saw ralph running away from them; it was like a signal for finding him to kill him. And also, the boys were crying at the end when the officer came to rescue them.

-Words I don't know:
*ointment (pg. 201): "The kid needed a bath, a hair cut, a nose-wipe and a good deal of ointment." Friendly definition of _ointment: Some kind of oil you put on your wounds and scars for them to heal better and faster. Sentence with ointment: My mother roobed my scratch with oitment; she told me to be carefull next time I use a mechanical cutter.
*swerved (pg. 199): " He swerved as a spear flew past and then was silent, running." Friendly definition of _swerved: When you change of direction suddenly and unexpected. Friendly definition of _swerved: I quickly swerved my car arround the corner after It was about to crash against a truck going approximately at 80 mph.
*Billow (pg. 195): "Smoke was seeping through the branches in white ans yellow wisps,the patch of blue sky overhead turned to the color of a storm cloud, and then the smoke billowed round him." Friendly definition of _billow: When some piece of fabric fills with air and swells outward. Sentence with billow: Her skirt billowed out while she was standing up looking at the horizon from the sea shore.

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Re: Chapter twelve responses

Post by fwcarlitos_ on Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:00 pm

Whose story/perspective is not represented?
In chapter twelve Golding does no show Jacks perspective. Which would of been nice while Jack was looking for Ralph in the jungle. But only Ralphs was shown. I think this was done because Ralph was the main character Ralph matters more than the rest of the charracters but i still maintain that jack perspective might give the story a different turn

where does the text leaves matters uncertain or unstated?
The text leaves matters unstated on page 190. Ralph asks Sam and Eric what jack would do if he found Ralph. They answered with, “Roger sharpened a stick at both ends.” Since they still didn't explain the main idea of how they found Ralph. I think there they try throwing a curve ball and put it to us to make up jacks mind

leaden (184) - “the best thing to do is to ignore this leaden feeling about the heart and rely on their common sense.” -If something is leaden, it's is dull, heavy or slow.

Billow (pg. 195): "Smoke was seeping through the branches in white ans yellow wisps,the patch of blue sky overhead turned to the color of a storm cloud, and then the smoke billowed round him." -When some piece of fabric fills with air and swells outward. Sentence with billow: Her skirt billowed out while she was standing up looking at the horizon from the sea shore.

Triumph(192)-"his feeling of triumph faded."
a great victory or achievement

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