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Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by SamZiegler on Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:48 pm

Key Details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing?
On page 173, Golding wrote, “The twins were examining Ralph curiously, as though they were seeing him for the first time.” This is a very strange thing to say, as Ralph and the twins have been around each other for the entire book. However, it makes sense when you consider the shift in Ralph’s attitude that just happened. Ralph finally decides to confront Jack, something he has avoided the whole time that they have been separate. He also admits that he never forgot why they needed the fire. This shows the reader that Ralph has finally realized that it is worth confronting Jack, at the possibility of fighting, just so he can light the signal fire that can save them all. Ralph is more concerned about the well being of everyone else than his own. When the twins “see him for the first time”, this is the shift. This shift is from Ralph being passive and not worrying about Jack, to Ralph taking matters into his own hands because it is needed to help the group survive. When the twins see this, they are curious about it, as it contradicts Ralph’s previous attitude towards Jack.
Inferences
How do the parts build to a whole?
Throughout the whole book, Ralph has been angry at Jack many times, for reasons that are warranted. Ralph has kept his cool about it, and has never really confronted Jack in the way he should. This changes on page 176, where Ralph yells “I say! You voted me for chief. Didn’t you hear the conch? You played a dirty trick – we’d have given you fire if you’d asked for it. You could have had fire whenever you wanted. But you didn’t. You came sneaking up like a thief and stole Piggy’s glasses!” This infuriates Jack, who is finally called out for what he has done. He especially is angry about Ralph calling him a thief, which leads to more yelling and then eventually, a fight between the two. This fight is a result of everything that has happened so far. Jack letting the fire go out, the beast, the tribe dividing, and the death of Simon have all led to this moment. The only reason that it didn’t happen sooner is because of how Ralph was able to stay calm throughout the entire book. Every time Ralph held in these emotions, it slowly got worse and worse, until now, when the good of the tribe is at stake and he explodes. Him and Jack are both infuriated, from everything that has happened before this moment.
Golding uses the title, Castle Rock, for chapter eleven. This is done because the Castle Rock is where Jack and his tribe live, and it is also a symbol of Jack’s power on the island. And when part of Castle Rock kills Piggy and smashes the conch, it is symbolic of Jack defeating intelligence and rules. His tribe has won, only Ralph is left to oppose him. When the boulder comes down upon Piggy and the conch, it seals the fate of everyone in Jack’s tribe. The only remain of society and civilization has run off into the forest, everything else that governed them is gone. At this point, it appears that there is no going back for the boys, they have gone too far away from who they were.
Word Study:
Detaining (pg. 172) Eric made a detaining gesture.
If something is detaining, it is to keep someone from proceeding.
The barrier helped to detain the criminal.
Multitudinous (pg. 173) There was silence, except for multitudinous murmur of the bees
If something is multitudinous, it is consisting of many individuals.
The was multitudinous noises coming from the farm.
Inscrutably (pg. 177) Jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.
If something is inscrutable, it is impossible to understand.
The children’s writing was inscrutable.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by aya on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:50 pm




Key details - How did the author develop the argument, explanation, or narrative?
on page 181, the author writes, “The conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist.” The conch represented rules and order, and when the conch exploded, so did the order and laws. Piggy got killed and the savages went crazy. So now all they are are savages, because savages have no Order. The civilization on the Island is dead.
2) why does the author name this chapter “Castle rock”
this chapter is named castle rock because Ralph and piggy went to castle rock to get piggy's glasses back, but bigger things ended up happening. The castle rock destroyed the conch and piggy.
1) Ludicrous (176) - “with ludicrous care he embraced the rock.”
Something that is ludicrous is foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing.
The joke was ludicrous to her.
2) Truculently (177) - “truculently they squared up to each other but kept just out of fighting distance.
If someone is acting truculently, they are fierce, cruel, or savagely brutal.
They truculently fought each other.
3) inscrutably (177) - “jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.”
If something is inscrutable, it is impossible to understand or interpret.
The article she read was inscrutable.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by BrandonN on Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:58 pm

General understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text?
Inferences
How do the parts build to a whole?
Through the book Ralph and Jack have always had differences Ralph always got angry with Jack buy controlled his self. But in this chapter Ralph finally loses his temper with Jack. This whole book shows the group spliting slowly but now that their separate we see the real Jack and Ralph.
In chapter 11 Golding uses the title "Castle Rock" because this is the place where Jacks tribe lives and where most of this chapter takes place. Ralph goes to confront Jack at castle rock. This place has great meaning, this is where piggy dies and so does the conch.
Word study:
Sniveling (pg.170) Piggy broke off, sniveling. Raplh took back the conch
Is someone is sniveling they cry or sniffle
When people are sick they sometimes sniffle.
Liberation (pg.172) liberation into savagery that the concealing paint brought.
If you liberate something you set something free from a situation, especially imprisonment or slavery.
Hitler did the oppisite of liberation.
Wielding (pg.182) as one wielding a nameless authority.
If someone is wielding something they are holding a tool or weapon.
Farmers wield tools all day

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by its.amy.13 on Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:32 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
Why do authors begin and end when they do?
Golding started with everyone trying to make ends meet. It started out as if they could make all this work out in their favor. Ralph was the chief, Jack was the leader hunter, and Piggy was the brains of the group. I think why he started here was to show how civilization could be if everyone worked together for the most part. How the structure and rules can benefit the people how can't handle an anarchy. The rules were set by Ralph who was expected to keep his cool and be the reasonable one throughout the book. But this chapter it ends with all chaos broke loose. Ralph the once named chief was now running blindly through the forest to get away from Jack and his crew and on page 182 you see that samneric are getting interrogated. Page 181 Piggy is murdered and the shell is no longer. The symbol for order and stability was smashed along with Piggy, the brains of the group. The end result is that the children are becoming more and more animalistic with every passing day.

Chapter 11 Castle Rock
I really don't know why this chapter was named this, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that Castle are for Kings and Jack sitting up there at the top of the mountain top might indicate that Jack has now become the king of the children and anyone else on this island that dare challenge him. Maybe he chose the word rock because usually castles are made out of stone and Jack's castle was made out of rock. That might have something to do with Jack not being a good enough king to deserve the proper treatments that a real king would have. When a king has servants they are willing to make his castle as big and grand as he wants. But with Jack's castle his servants weren't as committed enough or something along those lines.
Lethal(177)-"no longer daring the lethal points."
sufficient to cause death
Luminous(174)-"Piggy peered anxiously into the luminous veil that hung..."
full of or shedding light; bright or shining, especially in the dark.
Fiercely(182)-"said the chief fiercely."
in a savagely violent or aggressive manner.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by Johnson chen on Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:03 pm

Vocabulary & Text structure
When is figurative language and to what effect?
Golding uses a hyperbole on pg. 181 he writes, “The conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist.” This is a hyperbole because the conch was the start of the government or rule that Ralph made. And when the conch explodes, the governnent explodes or gets destroyed in dust. So since there isn't a rule or government Jack gets to do whatever he wants and so Piggy dies and next is Ralph and basically everybody has turn into savages because there's no rule.
Golding calls this chapter, Castle Rock, because since Jack is now like the ruler of a tribe and the rulers in castles are the kings. So since Jack is the king and everyone else is his servants. There's only people like Ralph who want to overthrow him, kind of like king's court the basketball game. Rock because rocks are hard and so is Jack.
Word Bank:
Detaining (pg. 172) Eric made a detaining gesture.
If something is detaining, it is to keep someone from proceeding.
She made to open the door, but he detained her.
Truculently (pg.177) "truculently they squared up to each other but kept just out of fighting distance."
If someone is acting truculent, then they are eager or quick to argue or fight; aggressively defiant.
His days of truculent defiance were over.
Inscrutably (pg. 177) Jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.
If something is inscrutable, then it is impossible to understand.
Guy looked blankly inscrutable.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by MichaelNguyenPer4 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:59 pm

Vocabulary & Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
Foreshadowing used (171) "You’ll get hurt.""What can he do more than he has?" A comment meant to suggest that something worse could happen, i.e. Piggy’s murder by Jack….
Key Details
Which details support the key idea? Look for the who? What? When? Why? How much? How many?
"He pushed his hair up and gazed at the green and black mask before him, trying to remember what Jack looked like." The initial purpose of the face paint was to camouflage Jack and the choirboys, a tool for hunting pigs. In chapter four, Jack was frustrated with his inability to kill the pig and mentions that he thinks the cause of his failure, is that the pigs can see him. However, when he puts on the face paint, he promoted confidence, along with a hunting tool. Jack felt “liberated from shame and self-consciousness.” At this point, the savagery is noticeable and the humanity of the boys, specifically Jack, had been locked away behind the mask. Towards the end of the book, the painted face represents the savagery that has consumed the boys in Jack’s tribe. Jack’s painted face symbolizes the leader of the savages, the group of boys, -and has become a war paint- thus Ralph has a hard time remembering what Jack looks like. He can no longer find the Jack that he knew from the start, but a cold bloodthirsty savage.
Why did Golding titled chapter eleven "Castle Rock"?
Castle Rock will become Jack's "headquarters" and is significantly different from the lush vegetation found elsewhere on the island. Whilst he and Ralph are searching for the "beast" they come across it and Jack recognizes it as a perfect place for "a fort."(Chapter 6) It is a "table rock," set marginally apart from the main part of the island.
Scurried (169) "Grey, feathery ashes scurried hither and thither at his breath.."
Definition - to go or move quickly or in haste
Sentence - You were scurried when leaving the building.
Immense (173) "The sky and mountain were at an immense distance..."
Definition - vast; huge; very great
Sentence - Something had immense of distances away from the paintings.
Astonished (179) "Then the twins lay, astonished..."
Definition - to fill with sudden and overpowering surprise or wonder; amaze
Sentence - If you were astonished of this performace and then you'll like the next one.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by MNguyen23 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:00 pm

Chapter 11 Responses
Vocabulary & Text structure
When is figurative language and to what effect?
Golding uses a hyperbole on pg. 181 he writes, “The conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist.” This is a hyperbole because the author describes the conch being exploded in the air.


Key details - How did the author develop the argument, explanation, or narrative?
on page 181, the author writes, “The conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist.” The conch represented for example like laws or even the ten commandments by describing the real feeling of being a human and how if you break laws, then watch your back.

Vocab:
Astonished: To be surprised
Immense: Close away
Inscrutably: Impossible to understand

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by Karen P on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:45 pm

Key Details:
Does the meaning of words go over a denotative meaning? What is the connotative meaning of the words?
The word Savages is used for the first time as a dialogue, but in a negative and against effect that does over a denotative meaning, Golding goes over the counterargument against the idea of total fredom against rules and the opress of the law because of desire, as Ralph demonstrates the idea of a tribe were 'fun' is the main importance is wrong talk also about how does Jack rules, abusing of his power and manipulating things for his own well and benefit.
Also the paint describes the kids as all unrecognizable, this diatorsions the individualism among the humans, this means that the kids are not humans anymore, adding their behavior and development of murdering, later piggy is killed but Jack doesn't feel it as wrong, this is imortan and also part of an evil person.

Opinions, Arguments, Intertextual Connections.
What questions does this text left unanswered/unexamined that may be worry of being researched?
I wonder is the evilness could be also teached and to other humans? Or is only the new situation that makes the person acts wrong since they don't know what to do? I was asking to myself this because of the behavior of the kids, the little ones to two deaths in less than a week, could this also be a factor to distortion their minds?, but the worst attitude was taken in Piggy's death; maybe the kids thought it was a fun game, they don't realize the weight of their sessions, but Roger does.
I also wonder of t he kids would be the exact representation of the grown ups, impudent and childish all humans are, could this be how would a group of older people act too? Followed by desire and ambition.

The meaning it the eleventh chapter name "Castle Rock" goes beyond were the kids live, the Clastle was a place of no organization neither rules, this place might represent the bad system that makes human evil. But also humanity, the big rock was the habitat of laughter to important topics and the lost of logic of the kids, reiterating a bad system.

Word Study:
1) Propitiatingly (page 173): "Piggy nodded propitiatingly."
to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate.
2) Prospect (page 174): "Here was the crushed grass where they had all lain when he had gone to prospect."
the possibility or likelihood of some future event occurring.
3) Inscrutably (page 177): "Jack watched him inscrutably through his paint. Ralph glanced up at the pinnacles,..."
incapable of being investigated, analyzed, or scrutinized; impenetrable.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by Shannon Poston on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:44 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
to describe the conch exploding golding uses a hyperbole, on page 181 it writes"The conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist." This exaggeration is describing how it exploded to make it more dramatic. When the conch is destroyed so is Ralphs power.
Inferences
How do the parts build to a whole?
Ralph and jack bump heads a lot throughout the whole story. Ralph has been good at being calm with others. now lateran in the story it changes on page 176, "i say you voted for me for chief didn't you hear the conch? you played a dirty trick wed given you fire if you asked for it." this is explaining the impatience that jack has to become the leader. He is basically getting humiliated.

i believe the title of this chapter is called "Castle Rock" because jack named the rock he had with his group meaning ghat he is taking over and starting to be in controlIt was immediately recognized as a good place for a fortress because it is so easily defended due to its physical structure

VOCAB:Propitiatingly (page 173): "Piggy nodded propitiatingly."
to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate.
Lethal(177)-"no longer daring the lethal points."
sufficient to cause death
inscrutably (177) - “jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.”
If something is inscrutable, it is impossible to understand or interpret.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by cesar.ca on Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:38 pm

-"Why does Ralph refuse to paint faces in lord of the flies"?
---Ralph believes that war paint represents savagery (people like Jack) so they want to be the opposite of Jack's tribe by not wearing paint. The twins suggest it so that they can hide their faces and find courage before going to see Jack. raining and storming out Jack and his boys were going to hunt, but they needed fire. The only fire found is in Ralph's area. So that's why they attacked Ralph's. Jack painted his face so that when he did something wrong he wouldn't be accountable for his actions.

-What's the signisicant of the tittle (Castle Rock)?
---Castle Rock is so named by Jack's group because it is a large outcropping of rock attached to the rest of the island by a narrow rock bridge.  It was immediately recognized as a good place for a fortress because it is so easily defended due to its physical structure.  Standing on the plateau that is at the top of Castle Rock, one can see anyone approaching on the rock bridge.  

Key Words:
1. Luminous "...Piggy sat expresionless behind the luminous wall of his myopia." (169): emitting light; full of light
2. Sniveling "Piggy broke off, sniveling." (170): to sniffle; complain or whine tearfully
3. Quavered ""Am I safe?" quavered Piggy." (174): trembled, or spoke in a trembling voice

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Chapter 11 Reponse

Post by Megan G on Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:48 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?

On pg. 171, Golding uses foreshadowing "You'll get hurt." "What can he do more than he has?" This comment is meant to suggest that something bad is going to happen, (Piggy's death)

Inferences
How do parts build to a whole?

Ralph and Jack have beef in the story from the beginning. Ralph has always found a way to calm everyone down but Jack is really aggressive and uses force to get to the boys. On pg. 176, Ralph says, "I say you voted for me for chief didn't you hear the conch? You played a dirty trick. We'd given you fire if you asked for it." This is showing how Jack is being un-patient and trying to be chief.

I think this chapter is called "Castle Rock" because Jack named that rock Castle Rock and that's where Jack's tribe "rules".

Vocabulary

Propitiatingly (pg. 173) "Piggy nodded propitiatingly."
Friendly Definition - to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate.

Lethal (pg. 177) "no longer daring the lethal points."
Friendly Definition - sufficient to cause death

inscrutably (pg. 177) - “jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.”
inscrutably - impossible to understand or interpret.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by Manthan21 on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:16 pm

When is figurative language used and to what effect?
In here there is a conversation saying that piggy will get hurt and then there is a reply that says what more can he do the is foreshadowing of piggy death later in the book.

It is called castle rock because there is where all the drama happens and how society in there island is all messed up.

Propitiating (page 173): "Piggy nodded propitiating."to make favorably inclined; appease; conciliate.
Inscrutably (pg. 177) Jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.If something is inscrutable, it is impossible to understand.The children’s writing was inscrutable.
Lethal (pg. 177) "no longer daring the lethal points."

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by _Karlitos :v on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:38 pm

*Text depending questions
-Key Details
Are there any nuances in meaning?
In pg. 173, in this passage: "Behind him came the twins worried now for a white but full of unquenchable vitality." Golding used the word unquenchable to describe the mood of Sam and Eric, but also to say that their vitality can't be estinguished like the fire they, Ralph and Piggy made before. Becaus the definition of the word unquenchable is something that cannot be extinguished or stopped. In other words, the author is juxtaposing the fire's extinguishing with Sam and Eric's unstoppable energy.  

-Vocabulary and text structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
In pg. 180: " Roger was dropping them, his one hand still one the lever. Below him, Ralph was a shock of hair and piggy a bag of fat. " Golding uses figurative language to describe Roger's perception of Ralph and Piggy; to illustrate him as someone who sees people as objects, to whom killing a person causes no remorse.


-Why did Golding named the 11th chapter as "Castle rock"?
Because Jack and his "tribe" settled in the top of a rocky mountain. Castle because Jack is like the "king" of his tribe, and kings lived in castles.

*Words I don't know:

-inscrutably (pg. 177): "Jack watched him inscrutably through his paint." Friendly definition of _inscrutably: Something hard to be analyzed or penetrable. Sentence with inscrutably: His heart was inscrutably.
-glimpsed (pg. 175): " Ralph bent back his head and glimpsed Roger's dark face at the top." Friendly definition of _glimpsed: When you see something but not very well. Sentence with glimpsed: She, without her glasses, glimpsed her father's car 30 meters away from her.
-myopia (pg. 169): "Piggy sat expressionless behind the luminous wall of his myopia." Friendly definition of _myopia: Someone with myopia can't see objects that are remote to him/her. Sentence with myopia: My grandfather has myopia, he needs to go accompained to the bus stop for not missing the bus if he is distracted while it is coming to the stop.

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Re: Chapter Eleven Responses

Post by fwcarlitos_ on Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:51 pm

Vocabulary & Text structure
When is figurative language and to what effect?
Golding uses a hyperbole on pg. 181 he writes, “The conch exploded into a thousand white fragments and ceased to exist.” This is a hyperbole because the conch was the start of the government or rule that Ralph made. They use the conch to represent the democradic goverment

What's the signisicant of the tittle (Castle Rock)?
Castle Rock is so named by Jack's group because it is a large outcropping of rock attached to the rest of the island by a narrow rock bridge. It was immediately recognized as a good place for a fortress because it is so easily defended due to its physical structure.

inscrutably (177) - “jack watched him inscrutably through his paint.” -If something is inscrutable, it is impossible to understand or interpret.

Quavered(174) ""Am I safe?" quavered Piggy." - trembled, or spoke in a trembling voice

Lethal ( 177) "no longer daring the lethal points." -sufficient to cause death

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