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Post by SamZiegler on Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:47 pm

General Understanding
What is the key theme/idea of the text? What is the evidence?
The key idea of chapter ten is that society is gone on the island, and there is no going back. This is right after the boys all murdered Simon, and the one in Ralph’s tribe choose to pretend that they weren’t there. They all ganged up on Simon like savages, and they killed him like an animal. This is the first crack in any sort of society that still exists. This society is then destroyed when Jack and his tribe realize that they need fire. Rather than just asking for it, they decide that they will steal Piggy’s glasses. They sneak up on Ralph’s tribe in the middle of the night and take the glasses. While Ralph and the twins think that they fought them off, it is revealed at the end of the chapter that they took Piggy’s glasses, leaving Ralph’s tribe without the means to make fire. Jack’s tribe has stolen the glasses, which are symbolic of society and rules, away from Ralph, the only person who can be trusted to use them properly. This angers Ralph and his tribe, which will certainly not help in making things any better between the two tribes.
Key Details
How did the author develop the argument, explanation, or narrative?
Golding developed chapter ten by having the perspective shift back and forth between Ralph’s and Jack’s tribes. At Ralph’s tribe, the reader learns that everyone was present, and knew about the death of Simon. This hangs over the tribe like a dark cloud, and the mood certainly doesn’t improve throughout the chapter. Ralph doesn’t call an assembly and argues with Piggy over whether it was murder or an accident. Over at Jack’s tribe, Roger climbs up Castle Rock and is told of Wilfred, who is being beaten and tied up. This is where we learn that Jack doesn’t need people to do anything wrong, he’ll punish them because he enjoys the power. We also learn of the rock with the lever underneath it, and the plan to steal Piggy’s glasses. Back at Ralph’s tribe, Eric questions why they even try to survive, and Ralph reveals that he enjoys the fire because it provides comfort. They go to bed, only to be woken by Piggy, who mistakes the hunters for the beast. A fight ensues, and the chapter ends with Jack walking away with Piggy’s glasses. Showing the perspective of both tribes is how Golding develops the narrative, as that way the reader can know what Is going to happen before is occurs.
Golding uses the title, The Shell and the Glasses, for chapter ten. This is done because the conch and Piggy’s glasses are the last symbols of civilization and society in the book. Piggy’s glasses getting stolen is symbolic of how society is falling apart on the island, and how it is unlikely to be repaired.  When Piggy protects the conch during the attack, he is protecting what he believes is that last remnant of society on the island. Jack takes the power of society, the glasses, with him, which is bad, because only someone responsible should be handling the kind of power that Jack has taken from Ralph.
Word Study:
Convulsively (pg. 158) Memory of the dance that none of them had attended shook all four boys convulsively.
If someone is convulsing, they are suffering violent involuntary contractions of the muscles.
The boy was convulsing on the floor.
Assimilating (pg. 160) He ceased to work at his tooth and sat still, assimilating the possibilities of irresponsible authority.
If someone assimilates, they take in information to understand it fully.
The students tried to assimilate the lesson the teacher taught them.
Composite (pg. 166) A composite of these things was prowling round the shelters.
If something is composite, it is made up of several parts.
The assignment was composite of lessons one, two, and three.

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Re- Chapter Ten Responses

Post by BrandonN on Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:28 pm

Key details
How did the author devolop the argument, explanation, or narrative.

Infrerences
Where does the text leave matters unceartain or unstated?
In Chapter 10 of lord of the flies Golding leaves out why does Ralph keep forgetting what hes good say. Through out the whole book
Ralph says the same thing over and over again "we need the fire if we want to be recused" yet he some how keeps forgetting
it.
In chapter 10 Golding uses the title "The Shell and the Glasses" because the glasses and the shell are the symbol for society. But Jack raids them and takes piggys glasses which he needs. Jack with the power of them can lead to nothing good.

Word study:
Solemnly (pg.155) Piggy said nothing but nodded, solemnly
If you do something is a solemntly way you do it in a formal and dignified manner.
Ceos of companys have to goto meetings in a solemnly way.
Gesticulating (pg.156) He was gesticulation, searching for a formula
If you do something in a gesticulating way you use gesture instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words.
When people are angry they are gesticulating.
Temendous (pg.159) Sitting on the trenendous
Something that is temendous is very great in amount, scale, or intensity.
The sun in summer gives a temendous amount of heat.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by aya on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:48 pm

Inferences - where does the text leaves matters uncertain or unstated?
on page 158, piggy, Ralph, Sam and Eric were talking about the dance. Piggy lies to Sam and Eric and says, “We left early because we were tired.” And sam and Eric also lie to Ralph and piggy and say, “So did we…. very early… we were very tired.” The author doesn't imply that Sam and Eric were at the feast when they beat up Simon, but we can infer that they were based on Sam’s scratch on his forehead and Eric’s split lip. They were both trying to deny that they had anything to do with simon's death. Because I think they don't want others to see them as murderers.
2) why does the author name this chapter “The Shell
and the Glasses”
this chapter is called “Thee Shell and the Glasses” because when Jack and two other hunters invade Ralph and the others, piggy thinks that they came for the conch. When really, they came for his glasses, because they wanted to start a fire and have a feast, but piggy doesn't notice this.
1) impaired (155) - “gazing with impaired sight at the chief’s seat…”
If something is impaired, it is weakened or damaged.
Her impaired eyesight was a disadvantage at the moment.
2) befouled (156) - “the green light and the glossy patches of sunshine played over their befouled bodies.”
If something is befouled, it is dirty or polluted.
The animal walked with its befouled tail.
3) obscene (158) - “Sam twisted and the obscene word shot out of him.”
If something is obscene, it is shocking or foul.
She replied back with an obscene gesture.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by its.amy.13 on Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:05 pm

Opinions, Arguments, Intertextual Connections
What is your opinion about the text? What evidence do you have to support your opinion?
My opinion of the text is it's a lot like Divergent the book series. Golding sets the scene as if someone is on the outside looking in. Like they are experimenting on the children. Because we all know most little kids are super innocent and they don’t know the first thing about savagery. So what Golding did was he took a few privileged children and some of the less fortunate and threw them in a setting that was ultimately testing their limits. The children had to be in this stranded island for quite some time because you see their hair growing out and you see that their clothes really need a wash. I say maybe a few months without the real civilization or any communication with people that weren't stuck there can mess with your mind. In times like these, imagination and memories are your worse enemy. Ralph has aged like ten years because of his many responsibilities that most kids his age haven't even dreamed of. That leadership and his decisions have crashed down on him and it's unbearable to him that he now carries all this weight on him. Ralph was the only one to come forth to Piggy about the goings-on that happened that night. Everyone else had gone with the choice to lie about it even though it was pretty obvious they weren't telling the truth.

Chapter 10 The Shell and the Glasses
The significance of the these two objects is huge. The shell is a symbol of order and stability so to see what just happened that night at the fire means the complete opposite of that. This is the time when the shell doesn't mean anything to the children anymore. The shell is just the shell now with no meaning towards it. The glasses is what started the first fire and what had brought all of the children together to bond over how they helped each other. But the glasses in chapter ten didn't symbolize that. Chapter ten was anything but them bonding over the fire. The group on the mountain top had become pure animals snatching the glasses from Piggy so they can have the fire instead of Ralph's group. Jack's group became independent and then when they realized they needed help instead of doing the nice human thing they did the savage animal like thing and snuck up on them to steal it from Piggy.
Batty(157)-"'He was batty.'"
crazy; insane.
Convulsively(158)-"shook all four boys convulsively."
in being violent, sudden, frantic, or spasmodic
Snigger(165)-"Ralph continued to snigger though his chest."
give a smothered or half-suppressed laugh.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by Johnson chen on Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:44 pm

Key details
How did the author devolop the argument, explanation, or narrative.
General Understanding
What is the key theme/idea of the text? What is the evidence?
The key theme in this chapter is that after the killing of Simon. The boys are now split up into to two groups, which one side is Ralph's and the other is Jack's. Piggy talks to Ralph saying this is murder, but Ralph is acting like him and the group weren't part of the killing. Then Jack realizes that they need some fire to cook and get warm, so Jack and his tribe decide to steal Piggy's glasses because it's the fastest way to make. So basically whoever has the glasses and the fire are basically the ruler on the island because fire is important on a island in many ways.
Golding calls this chapter, The Shell and Glasses, because the glasses and the conch are very symbolic in the story because the conch was basically the start of society. And the fire is the power of society and whoever controps the fire is basically the leader. But since Jack decides to steal the fire instead of asking Ralph thats where society starts to breakdown.
Word Bank:
Snigger(pg.165) Ralph continued to snigger though his chest.
If someone is sniggering, then he or she is giving a smothered or half-suppressed laugh.
The boys at school were sure to snigger at him behind his back.
obscene (pg.158) Sam twisted and the obscene word shot out of him.
If something is obscene, then it is
offensive to moral principles; repugnant.
Using animals' skins for fur coats is obscene.
Gesticulating (pg.156) He was gesticulation, searching for a formula
If you do something in a gesticulating way, then you use gesture instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words.
They were shouting and gesticulating frantically at drivers who did not slow down.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by MichaelNguyenPer4 on Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:05 pm

Key Details
Which details support the key idea? Look for the who? What? When? Where? Why? How much? How many?
Key detail on (155) “...Ralph remained unmistakably Ralph.” Golding emphasizes again that Ralph never changed nor took off his clothes while the other boys were naked and becoming savages. This suggests that Ralph is stable and insists on holding on to morals and common sense.
Vocabulary & Text Structure
When is figurative language used wto what effect?
Symbolism and foreshadowing. (155) “The coarse grass was still worn away where the assembly used to sit; the fragile white conch still gleamed by the polished seat.” The worn away grass shows the boy’s worn out beings to approach. “Fragile” uses foreshadowing of a destruction of the remaining democracy.
Why did Golding titled chapter 10 “The Shell and the Glasses”?
This goes back to the beginning showing the shell as their horn. The glasses of Piggy. Significance of the book’s start.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by _Karlitos :v on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:28 pm

*Text depending questions
-Inferences
How do the parts build to a whole?
pg. 155 : "' What you say?' Ralph spoke up.'Simon.' Piggy said nothing but nodded, solemly. They continued to sit, gazing with impaired sight at the chief's seat." pg. 156 : "At last Ralph stopped. He was shivering. 'Piggy, that was Simon, that was a murder.' 'You stop it!' said Piggy shrilly.'What good're you doing talking like that?' pg. 157: "'Didn't you see what we did?' 'Didn't you see Piggy?' 'It was an accident,' said Piggy suddenly, 'that's what is was, an accident,' his voice shrilled again. 'Coming in the dark, he hadn't no business crawling like that out of the dark. He was batty. He asked for it.' 'It was an accident.'"
In these passages, Golding is claiming that Ralph and Piggy are not able to accept what they did , especially Piggy. Because the guiltyness of having participated of a murder didn't let them accept what happened. Their guiltyness didn't let them accept that it was their and the other boys fault that Simon died.

-Whose story/perspective is not represented?
The perspective of Jack and his hunters when they went to attack Ralph's shelters is not represented. They attacked by surprise. Problably wnat they were doing before attacking wasn't relevant to the story and that is why FGolding didn't represent their perspective.

-Why did the author named the 10th chapter as: "The shell and the glasses"

Because in this chapter, when Jack and his hunters assault the shelters, Ralph and Piggy thought that they were going to steal the conch shell when they actually stole Piggy's glasses.

*Words I don't know:

-impaired (pg. 155): They continued to sit, gazing with impaired sight at the chief's seatand the glittering lagon. Friendly definition of _impaired: Something damaged or injured over time. Sentence with impaired: My grandmother's sight is so impaired; she can't read her bible anymore.
-fetched (pg. 162): The three boys went into the forest and fetched armfuls of rotten wood. Friendly definition of _fetched: When you go for picking up something and then bring it with you.
-ambushed (pg. 165): During one of these pauses he was ambushed by sleep. Friendly definition of _ambushed: When you make a surprise attack on someone from a hidden position. Sentence with ambushed: The tiger smartly ambushed his prey and had a delicious banquet that evening.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by Broken Glasses on Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:27 am

Vocab
crag: A steep or rugged rock face
diminished: to decrease the size or quantity of.
convulsively: to force out

Why is the chapter referred to as "The shell and the glasses"? In this chapter, it shows how Jack is forcing the rebels to join his ranks. It is quite strategic and dirty. Basically, he is giving them a reason to go to castle rock and without the glasses the can't survive. Now he has a bargaining chip

What questions have the text left unanswered?
Was Roger talking to Ralph earlier? And if so why is he helping Jack with his raid?

How reliable is the narrator and how do you know?
I don't know anything it's a fictional story.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by MNguyen23 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:57 pm

Chapter 10 Responses
Whose story/perspective is not represented?
The perspective of Jack and his hunters when they went to attack Ralph's shelters is not represented. They attacked by surprised when Jack and his hunters were preoccupied by doing something else like they were trying to hunt for example.

-Inferences
How do the parts build to a whole?
pg. 155 : "' What you say?' Ralph spoke up. "Simon." Piggy said nothing but nodded, solemnly. They continued to sit, gazing with impaired sight at the chief's seat." pg. 156 : "At last Ralph stopped. He was shivering. 'Piggy, that was Simon, that was a murder.' 'You stop it!' said Piggy shrilly.' What good are you doing talking like that?' pg. 157: "'Didn't you see what we did?' 'Didn't you see Piggy?' 'It was an accident,' said Piggy suddenly, 'that's what is was, an accident,' his voice shrilled again. 'Coming in the dark, he hadn't no business crawling like that out of the dark. He was batty. He asked for it.' 'It was an accident.'"

Vocab
Impaired: Injured
Diminished: Ruined, destroyed
convulsively: To be forced

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by Karen P on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:43 pm

Key Details:
Are there any shifts or patterns in writting? Look for signal words or phrases.
Golding applies to the kids for the time the word "Savages" on page 160, but specifically on the children that call their group as a "tribe", he don't call the kids by their names and also don't recognize them by their physical characteristics anymore, de humanizing the kids and the idea of individualism, in this case they are only savages not humans anymore, making assumptions we realize that Golfing is trying to communicate on his statements that the things that makes us humans are only rules and harmony.
But, the only one who is called by his name, declared as human, is the only one who recalled the topic of keeping the fire on: Bill, this says about him, that he still being affected by Ralphs and Piggy's reasoning, but he is the only one among a group demonstrating that among society there is not much people that would stand by their own ideas.

Key Details:
Are there any nuances in meaning?
Since the start of the chapter I realized the different description from what the shell represents, Golding uses the word: "fragile" on page 155 recalling the idea of the behavior of the kids affecting the conch - the rules- this also might be recognized as the oppression of the rules, the rules are now useless and unimportant, fragile because of the libertine attitude that the kids have around an atmosphere of free, and power -to Jack-.
Whereas Ralph turns his fear from the beast to others, this is odd since the beast was supposed to be a bigger problem than them that took many days and time to try to confront it; Ralpgh expresses on page 159: "I'm frighten. Of us"' the author demonstrates that the main fear of the human are themselves, that trying to avoid to see it the monsters are created.

Golding name chapter ten as "The shell and the Glasses" that might talk about the only two things that are left and still represent the past organization and rules, the glasses the logic (since this created the fire, their biggest advance by now) and the shell that so far is fragile but still stand to behave the kids that are going insane

Word Study:
1) Gesticulating (page 156): "He was gesticulating, searching for a formula."
use gestures, especially dramatic ones, instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words.
2) Feverish (page 157): "There was loathing, and at the same time a kind of feverish excitement, in his voice."
displaying a frenetic excitement or energy.
3) Convulsively (page 158): "Memory of the dance that none of them had attended shook all four boys convulsively."
Convulsive movements aremovements of the muscles inyour body that you cannotcontrol.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by Karen P on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:44 pm

Key Details:
Are there any shifts or patterns in writting? Look for signal words or phrases.
Golding applies to the kids for the time the word "Savages" on page 160, but specifically on the children that call their group as a "tribe", he don't call the kids by their names and also don't recognize them by their physical characteristics anymore, de humanizing the kids and the idea of individualism, in this case they are only savages not humans anymore, making assumptions we realize that Golfing is trying to communicate on his statements that the things that makes us humans are only rules and harmony.
But, the only one who is called by his name, declared as human, is the only one who recalled the topic of keeping the fire on: Bill, this says about him, that he still being affected by Ralphs and Piggy's reasoning, but he is the only one among a group demonstrating that among society there is not much people that would stand by their own ideas.

Key Details:
Are there any nuances in meaning?
Since the start of the chapter I realized the different description from what the shell represents, Golding uses the word: "fragile" on page 155 recalling the idea of the behavior of the kids affecting the conch - the rules- this also might be recognized as the oppression of the rules, the rules are now useless and unimportant, fragile because of the libertine attitude that the kids have around an atmosphere of free, and power -to Jack-.
Whereas Ralph turns his fear from the beast to others, this is odd since the beast was supposed to be a bigger problem than them that took many days and time to try to confront it; Ralpgh expresses on page 159: "I'm frighten. Of us"' the author demonstrates that the main fear of the human are themselves, that trying to avoid to see it the monsters are created.

Golding name chapter ten as "The shell and the Glasses" that might talk about the only two things that are left and still represent the past organization and rules, the glasses the logic (since this created the fire, their biggest advance by now) and the shell that so far is fragile but still stand to behave the kids that are going insane

Word Study:
1) Gesticulating (page 156): "He was gesticulating, searching for a formula."
use gestures, especially dramatic ones, instead of speaking or to emphasize one's words.
2) Feverish (page 157): "There was loathing, and at the same time a kind of feverish excitement, in his voice."
displaying a frenetic excitement or energy.
3) Convulsively (page 158): "Memory of the dance that none of them had attended shook all four boys convulsively."
Convulsive movements aremovements of the muscles inyour body that you cannotcontrol.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by Shannon Poston on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:34 pm

inferences
where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
when ralph piggy and the twins were talking about the dance about killing the pig, piggy lies to the twins , he says "we left early because we were tired."(158) then the boys lie to piggy too, they say, "So did we...very...very we were very tired." there was no other evidence showing that they were both tired and why they were so tired. Although we can infer they were doing something because of the scratch on erics head.

key details
How did the author develop the narrative?
Golding narrative about ralph and jacks tribes develop in this chapter. In Ralphs tribe everyone feels guilty about the death of simon because thats considers murder. This is basically a giant weight other shoulders placed on top of the fact they still have to get off the island and not get caught by the beast. And then jack says hat it was dark and they didn't mean for it to happen but it did anyways.

i believe the chapter is called"The shell and the Glasses" becauseThe conch shell is the symbol of order and civility among the schoolboys who are stranded on this island. When someone wants to speak to the group, for example, he must be holding the conch. Piggy's glasses quickly become the symbol for life because with them the boys can make fire for nourishment and rescue.

VOCABimpaired (pg. 155): They continued to sit, gazing with impaired sight at the chief's seatand the glittering lagon. Friendly definition of impaired: Something damaged or injured over time

Assimilating (pg. 160) He ceased to work at his tooth and sat still, assimilating the possibilities of irresponsible authority.
If someone assimilates, they take in information to understand it fully.

Composite (pg. 166) A composite of these things was prowling round the shelters.
If something is composite, it is made up of several parts.
the machine was composite of two parts.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by cesar.ca on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:58 pm

-What is the significance of the title " The Shell and the Glasses"?
---The conch has stood for power up to this point in the novel because whoever had it could speak.  During the night when Jack's tribe invades Ralph's group's camp, they don't steal the conch which is only symbolic of power.  They steal Piggy's glasses - the one tool they have with which to make fire and therefore, the real source of power.

-In what ways does Piggy prove himself to be superior to Ralph?
---Piggy must remind Ralph what is important and what needs to be done.  Ralph seems to fall apart in this chapter and can't keep his thoughts together.  Piggy reminds Ralph of the fire and why the fire is so important to their survival. Piggy is intellectually superior to Ralph when it comes to reasoning out what needs to be done.  Piggy takes over until Ralph can pull himself together, however, he doesn't start giving orders, he simply encourages Ralph to remember that he is still chief and they need to continue to carry on with the rules.

Key Words:

1. Compelled "Honestly compelled him to go on..." (167): to force or drive; exert a strong, irresistable force on.
2. Collapsed "Then the shelter collapsed with smothering finality..." (167): fall down or in; give away.
3. Gazed "He gazed for a moment or two..." (168): look steadily and intently, specially in admiration, surprise or thought.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by cesar.ca on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:59 pm

-What is the significance of the title " The Shell and the Glasses"?
---The conch has stood for power up to this point in the novel because whoever had it could speak.  During the night when Jack's tribe invades Ralph's group's camp, they don't steal the conch which is only symbolic of power.  They steal Piggy's glasses - the one tool they have with which to make fire and therefore, the real source of power.

-In what ways does Piggy prove himself to be superior to Ralph?
---Piggy must remind Ralph what is important and what needs to be done.  Ralph seems to fall apart in this chapter and can't keep his thoughts together.  Piggy reminds Ralph of the fire and why the fire is so important to their survival. Piggy is intellectually superior to Ralph when it comes to reasoning out what needs to be done.  Piggy takes over until Ralph can pull himself together, however, he doesn't start giving orders, he simply encourages Ralph to remember that he is still chief and they need to continue to carry on with the rules.

Key Words:

1. Compelled "Honestly compelled him to go on..." (167): to force or drive; exert a strong, irresistable force on.
2. Collapsed "Then the shelter collapsed with smothering finality..." (167): fall down or in; give away.
3. Gazed "He gazed for a moment or two..." (168): look steadily and intently, specially in admiration, surprise or thought.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by Manthan21 on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:09 pm

Where does the text leave matters unceartain or unstated?
In Chapter 10 of lord of the flies Golding leaves out why Ralph keeps forgetting what he's saying. Through out the whole book Ralph says the same thing over and over again "we need the fire if we want to be recused" yet he some how keeps forgetting
it.

He names it "The shell and the Glasses" maybe because the shell started it all in the beginning but now it is gone and is "broken" like glass.

Assimilating (pg. 160) He ceased to work at his tooth and sat still, assimilating the possibilities of irresponsible authority.
Solemnly (pg.155) Piggy said nothing but nodded, solemnly
Feverish (page 157) "There was loathing, and at the same time a kind of feverish excitement, in his voice."displaying a frenetic excitement or energy.

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Re: Chapter Ten Responses

Post by fwcarlitos_ on Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:41 pm

Whose story/perspective is not represented?
The perspective of Jack and his hunters when they went to attack Ralph's shelters is not represented. They attacked by surprised when Jack and his hunters were preoccupied by doing something else like they were trying to hunt for example. It doesnt give details of how he felt during this experience.

How do the parts build to a whole?
pg. 155 : "' What you say?' Ralph spoke up. "Simon." Piggy said nothing but nodded, solemnly. They continued to sit, gazing with impaired sight at the chief's seat." pg. 156 : "At last Ralph stopped. He was shivering. 'Piggy, that was Simon, that was a murder.' 'You stop it!' said Piggy shrilly.' What good are you doing talking like that?' pg. 157: "'Didn't you see what we did?' 'Didn't you see Piggy?' 'It was an accident,' said Piggy suddenly, 'that's what is was, an accident,' his voice shrilled again. 'Coming in the dark, he hadn't no business crawling like that out of the dark. He was batty. He asked for it.' 'It was an accident.'"

Convulsively(158)-"shook all four boys convulsively."
obscene (158) - “Sam twisted and the obscene word shot out of him.”
Temendous (159) “Sitting on the trenendous”

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