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Chapter 9 responses

Post by its.amy.13 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:37 pm


Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
I think once again that Simon part of the story isn't clearly represented. When he passed out and woke up again pg.145 why did he go check out the dead pilot on the mountain top? Was there a reason as to why he so badly wanted to tell everyone that there was no such thing as the beast? Did he want to try to be the hero for once? Because he didn’t seem to have a voice earlier when he was asked what he thought if there was a beast or not. So why all of a sudden a burst of confidence to be able to speak in front of everyone? How did all the hunter boys not hear Simon shouting? If Simon were human and had human cries and after all that was trying to communicate to them about something did they not hear it? Yea maybe you can blame it on the storm and how loud it was and how it was too dark outside to see. But couldn't they tell that once their teeth sank into flesh that it was a boy and not some inhuman beast? That the "beast" didn't even fight back much less have any sort of fangs?

Chapter 9 was titled "A View to a Death"
I think there is irony in the title. Because Simon witnessed that the beast that everyone claimed to have seen was actually a dead pilot and on his way to tell everyone his discovery he gets brutally murdered. So I guess Simon "viewed" upon a death, then he went to go show the boys. The boys "viewed" upon a death of Simon. Everyone got their share of what death looks like. The savagery upon which the children murdered Simon and how utterly blinded by fear, hatred, and insanity they killed an innocent child. I assume that these boys are not so innocent anymore. Over time, these have gotten their lives stolen from them. They are no longer the boys that the readers knew at the beginning of the book they have morphed into creatures with the only thought is to survive.

Garlanded(149)-"...into the center of the lawn and Jack, painted and garlanded, sat there like an idol."
adorn or crown with a garland.
Trodden(148)-"...blown sand of above high water, warm, dry, trodden."
walk in a specified way.
Superficial(152)-"...while the chant lost its first superficial excitement and began to bat like a steady pulse."
existing or occurring at or on the surface

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Chapter Nine Responses

Post by SamZiegler on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:02 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
How can meaning be altered by changing key words?
On page 147, Golding wrote, " A couple of littluns were playing at the edge, trying to extract comfort from a wetness warmer than blood." This is comparing the ocean, which has been where the tribe has stayed close to since day one, to blood, which is associated with hunting and Jack's tribe. I think the word blood is used here because of this symbolism, it is saying that no matter how much better Jack and his tribe seem, they will always be worse than Ralph and his way of living, which is warmer. This meaning becomes non existent if you replace blood with anything, the meaning is no longer there. The word extract is also a key word here. When something is extracted, it is usually done with effort or force. If little kids are in need of effort to have fun in the ocean, then you know that something is wrong. They are unhappy because of their situation, being stranded on the island, the beast, and the tribe splitting up. Once again, if you change extract into any other word, this meaning is lost. Just saying something like "get", then the significance is lost.
Vocabulary and Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
On page 151, Golding wrote, "... the air was dark and terrible...". The is personification of the air, and it gives a great meaning. The air hanging over the island is dark and terrible because of what is going to happen, when the tribe mistakes Simon for the beast and kills him. This is foreshadowing in sense, because while it doesn't directly give anything away, the reader can tell that something bad is about to happen. This air is symbolized as a storm over the island, which is part of the reason that Simon was murdered, as the tribe could only see brief glimpses of him when lightning flashed. This is a strange effect, because when the reader comes back to this and thinks about it in context with what happens later, the foreshadowing of Simon's death is also part of the reason that he is killed. This air could also represent the beast inside of them, as this is the first time that it completely shows itself as the whole tribe gangs up and kills Simon without a second thought. That creates a very ironic effect, as Simon's knowledge of what the beast is leads to him being killed by the beast.
Golding uses the title, A View to a Death, for chapter nine. This is done because of the first death on the island, the murder of Simon by the tribe. The view that is referenced in the title could be many things. It could be the reader's point of view, though I sincerely doubt that is the case. It could be the tribe's view as they realized they didn't kill the beast, but instead they killed Simon, but I still don't fully see that as the reason. I believe that it is referencing the fact that Simon is the only one who had a view of what the actual beast is, and that this view led to his death. Simon's view caused him to climb the mountain after his conversation with the Lord of the Flies, where he found that the beast was really just a dead person with a parachute. This discovery leads him to go tell the tribe about the true identity of the beast, however, in an ironic twist, Simon is mistaken for the beast and killed. This view leads to his death.
Word Study:
Corpulent (pg.  146) Then as the blue material of the parachute collapsed the corpulent figure would bow forward, sighing, and the flies settle once more.
If someone is corpulent, they are fat or overweight.
The young boy ate too much food, and as a result, he was corpulent.
Unendurable (pg. 152) The blue-white scar was constant, the noise unendurable.
If something is unendurable, it is not able to be tolerated.
The girl cried out in unendurable pain.
Ungainly (pg. 153) ... swayed down through a vastness of wet air and trod with ungainly feet the tops of the high trees...
If someone is ungainly, they are clumsy or awkward.
If children walking ungainly through the snow

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by MichaelNguyenPer4 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:46 pm

Vocabulary & Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
(145) "What else is there to do?" This is a repetition in chapter 5. The only thing to do is to go hunt the beast and to free the forrbiden truth that dosent justify the actions of the boys. Simon realises that there isn’t anything else to, almost as if he has lost hope in the boys and civilisation in general.
Which details support the key idea? Look for The Who? What? When Where? Why? How much? How many?
Jack commands the boys (150) "Do our dance! Come on! Dance!" in chapter nine of Lord of the Flies after Ralph has questioned his authority in front of the other boys. Jack uses the dance and chanting as a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from Ralph’s very serious and practical questions about the building storm and shelter. The dance serves as a unifying ritual, pulling all the boys into a frenzy of blood-lust, led by Jack, the most powerful hunter in the group. Jack’s call to dance deflects the boys' focus from more practical matters; his tactic is both effective and manipulative. The chant unifies the boys into a common purpose, making it very easy for them to forget about their worries on the island.
Why did Golding titled chapter nine "A View to a Death"?
The Golding titled this chapter "A View to a Death" because when Simon witnesses the dead paratrooper, and the boys end up murdering Simon at the end of the chapter.
Inaudible (149) "...and whispered something inaudible to Piggy..."
Definition - not audible; incapable of being heard
Sentence - If you are inaudible of the information, then raise the volume.
Sulphurous (152) "...the sulphurous explosion beat down."
Definition - fiery or heated
Sentence - Someone with sulphurous beat made history.
Inquisitive (154) "Softly, surrounded by a fringe of inquisitive bright creatures..."
Definition - given to inquiry, research, or asking questions; eager for knowledge; intellectually curious
Sentence - You are inquisitive with an eager to find the missing things.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by aya on Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:29 pm

Vocabulary and text structure - when is figurative language used and to what effect?
figurative language is used on page 150, “power lay in the brown swell of his forearms: authority sat on his shoulder and chattered in his ear like an ape.” The author is saying that Jack replaced Ralph as chief. He used a simile to describe that jack's use of power is self-centered and ambitious, where's Ralph's used his power to build shelter, have unity and rules. Jack gets his power through force. Ralph got his power through the choice of the kids.
2) why does the author name this chapter “A view to a Death”
this chapter is called “A view to a Death” because Simon sees the so-called beast and finds out it's only a human. And when he tries to tell the other kids, they beat him and kill him, because they mistakes him for a beast.
1) Sauntered (150) - “Jack rose from the log that was his throne and Sauntered to the edge of the grass.”
If you saunter, you walk in a slow relaxed manner, without hurry or effort.
She sauntered across the room in her red dress.
2) clamorously (151) - “and the boys followed him, clamorously.”
If something is done clamorously, it's done with a loud and confused noise.
She clamorously set down the pots.
3) demented (152) - “found themselves eager to take a place in this demented but partly secure society.”
If something is demented, it is driven to behave irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement.
She had a demented mind that led her to do bad things.

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Re: Chapter 9 Responses

Post by BrandonN on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:47 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
How can meaning be altered by changing key words?
Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
Golding leaves out why were all the other boys so intrigued by Jacks circle. Even Ralph and Piggy couldn't help their self but to join in. Also why everyone pounced on the "beast" even though none of them actually saw who or what it was. Yet they did not even think about stopping.
  In chapter 9 the title "A View to a Death"  is used because at the end of the chapter Simon is killed after seeing the beast.
Word Study:
Gnawed (pg.149) him accusingly, put down his gnawed bone with a nervous
If someone gnawed on something they bite at or nibble something persistently
My dog gnawed at a bone all day.
Sauntered (pg.150) Jack rose from the log that tugs his throne and sauntered
If someone is sauntered they walk in a slow, relaxed manner, without hurry or effort.
Old people often walk in a sauntered way.
Cascading (pg.153) Now a great wind blew the rain sideways, cascading the
If something is cascading its being poured downward rapidly and in large quantities.
Water cascades down the streets during a storm.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by Johnson chen on Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:16 pm

Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
Well Simon passes out a lot and the story didn't really tell us why he passes out a lot. But the main unstated thing in this chapter is that why does the lord of the flies talk to and only Simon. Is there a reason why only Simon because Simon isn't really a character that has a big voice. And why is Simon always traveling by himself, why doesn't Ralph or Piggy keep an eye on him because whenever he wanders he always finds a clue or the truth that everybody needs to know.
Vocabulary and Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
Golding calls this chapter, A view of a Death, because Simon was talking to tbe lord of flies and he finds out that there really no beast on this island because the beast are the boys. And when Simon tries to go and tell the rest, he ends up dying because the boys mistaken him as the beast which might be the view and taste of death.
Word Bank:
Sauntered (pg.150) Jack rose from the log that tugs his throne and sauntered
If someone is sauntered, then they walk in a slow, relaxed manner, without hurry or effort.
Old people often walk in a sauntered way.
Demented (pg.152) - found themselves eager to take a place in this demented but partly secure society.
If something is demented, then it is driven to behave irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement.
But, while he continues demented, he cannot judge of the visions which he sees or the words which he utters.
Cascading (pg.153) Now a great wind blew the rain sideways, cascading the
If something is cascading, then it is being poured downward rapidly and in large quantities.
Water was cascading down the stairs.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by _Karlitos :v on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:32 pm

*Text depending questions
-Vocabulary & Text Structure
Why may have the author chosen one word over another?
pg. 148: "Where is Samneric?"
In this short sentence, Ralph was asking Piggy where are Sam and Eric. Golding referred to Sam and Eric as "He is" instead of as "They are." Because they do everything together, thet don't have any relevant physical or behavioral difference, for them to be individual characters. Golding does something similar when he refers to the younger boys as the "Littluns" instead of their names (with few exceptions).

-Key details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writting?
pg.150 Jack says:" Who's going to join my tribe?", and after Ralph defends his position of chief, he ignores him and repeats: " Who'll join my tribe and have fun?" And in pg. 151 Jack ignores Ralph again, and repeats "Who' ll join my tribe?" and many boys say they will.
Golding used repetition to illustrate Jack's desire of being the leader of the group of boys. And in this chapter he is successfull; his success marks the beginning of the end of Ralph's leardership, and the murdering of the boys who oppose.

-Why did Golding named the 9th chapter as "A view to a death"?
Because in this chapter Simon has a conversation with the Lord of the Flies, which is represented as the head of a death sow. And Simon dies soon after he has that conversation. Also, he is the first human character whose death is described in the book.

*Words I don't know:
-dimly(pg. 145): "At last he woke and saw dimly the dark earth close by his cheek." Friendly definition of _dimly: To do something weakly or without enough strength. Sentence with dimly: He kicked the ball dimly; it barely moved.
-festooned( pg. 146) : Presently the creepers festooned the ctrees less frequently and there was a scatter of pearly light from the sky down through the trees. Friendly definition of _festooned: A place adorned with ribbons, garlands ,or other decorations. Sentence with festooned: The festooned christmas tree gave life to the party.
-swaying (pg. 151) : "A wave of restlessness set the boys swaying and moving aimlessly." Definition of _swaying: A slow movement backward and forward or from side to side. Sentence: The hammock swayed me as I read the newspaper.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by cesar.ca on Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:05 pm

-What does Simon find at the top of the mountain? What does he do?
---Simon catches sight of the Beast when he travels further up the mountain, and then recognizes it as the body of the man who parachuted onto the island. Overwhelmed with disgust and dread, Simon vomits. He realizes that he must inform the other boys of their mistake, and he staggers down the mountain toward Jack's camp to tell them what he has found.
-What does Simon discover about the beast, and what does Simon do for the beast?
---He decides to leave his hiding place and climbs the mountain to search for the beast. He discovers that it is not a beast at all: It is the body of a dead airman, whose parachute hangs from a rock. Approaching the body, Simon finds it ridden with flies. After throwing up, he decides to release the lines of the chute, freeing the body from its perch. Soon after, Simon's life will end at the hands of the bloodthirsty boys; and the parachutist, caught in the windstorm, will join Simon's body in the sea.

Key words:

1. Corpulent "Then, as the blue material of the parachute collapsed the corpulent figure would bow forward..." (146): excessively fat.
2. Sauntered "...Jack rose from the log that was his throne and sauntered to the edge of the grass." (150): o walk at a leisurely pace; stroll.
3. Sulpghurous "...scar jagged above them and the sulphurous explosion beat down." (152): (chiefly of vapor or smoke) containing or derived from sulfur.

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Post by Broken Glasses on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:46 pm

Vocab
inaudible: Unable to head.
garlanded: adorn or crown with a garland.
interspresed: to scattered

Why is the Chapter called "A view to a death"?
This chapter is brief but powerful. It contains the first casualty which astonishingly was a murder. I would think that other things that are live oriented would play factors. As we know there will be only murders which I find ironic. Although I was once this young I have a difficult time relating to these kids I'm not very impulsive.

From whose point of view is the story told?
I'm sure if Mr.Myette ever reads this he well is cringing with such a simple question finding its way on his website. However I can be original for so long, and here we go. The story is told from a third-person Omniscient. The narrator isn't any of the characters and has some information that not all of our characters are aware of.

What is your opinion on something that the author or character did?
I think when Ralph goes to the banquet and eats the hunter's food and then challenges Jack's authority was a low moment for him. I think when they saw their former chief crawling back to the new tribe it might have ruined him in terms of reassembling the tribe and shown how little authority he had. The best move they could've made is to stick to the plan and just show up for meat.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by MNguyen23 on Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:51 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
On page 151, Golding wrote, "... the air was dark and terrible...". This is personification because the author describes the air as dark and terrible. He could also be viewing the smell and odor of the air.

Vocabulary and Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
Golding calls this chapter, A view of a Death, because Simon was talking to the lord of flies and he finds out that there are really no beast on this island because the beast are the boys. Simon then tries to tell the others but he is so slow to get their.

Vocab
Corpulent: To be or feel fat
Dimly: To feel weak or no strength
Cascading: DOwn Rapidly

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by Karen P on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:42 pm

• Vocabulary and Text Structure:
When of figurative language used and to what effect?
In the beginning of chapter nine, Golding uses frequently the Metaphor on Simon's narration on the forest: "Colors drained from the water and trees and pink surfaces of rock, and the white and brown clouds brooded."
Simon is the spiritual side of the reasoning, the reflexive and deep part that analyzes situations and is in touch with his surroundings, with the meaning and relation. Relation is metaphor after all.
This passage gives more intensity to his last moments living and breathing, oddly we can assume that Simon is pressing his death because of the careful detail of how he is staring (not looking) at last the moment, at the beauty that is -metaphorically- dying.
What does the passage means? The passage reflects how the beauty had gone by now -the representation of morral and sanity- the fin, the innocence and freedom to become libertinage -morally and about laws.-

• Vocabulary and Text Structure:
How can the meaning be altered by changing key words?
Golding writes on page 146: "...the colors of corruption." Describing the skin tone of the pig, why didn't he just puta disgusting color?, or maybe the state of putrefaction?.
Since the pig represented no order and law, the pig more that disgusting was repugnant, in both ways, in appearance but most in the meaning -because if we are talking about Simon, meaning is more expressed than appearance.- The pig represented the rotting part of the behavior that was in development inside the habitats of the island, that corrupt and abuse of power that was expanding in the big ones, desire.

The title of the ninth chapter is named "A Viwe to a Death" this one is a set to understand if you read the whole chapter, this view to a death means the first death of a human, in these case Simon that breaks the innocence and disturb the murders, this is the first view that could trigger a chain of murders in the development of liking this, killing.

Word Study:
1) Corruption (page 146): "The tangle of lines showed him the mechanics of this parody;he examined the white nasal bones, the teeth, the colors of corruption."
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
2) Demented (page 152): "Ralph, under the threat of the sky, found themselves eager to take a placein this demented but partly secure society."
driven to behave irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement.
3) Abominable (page 152): "its arms folded over its face. Itwas crying out against the abominable noise something about a body on the hill."
causing moral revulsion.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by Shannon Poston on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:23 pm

Vocabulary and Text structure
What role do the individual paragraphs play?
a phrase that the author constantly uses is on page 150, "Evening was come not with calm beauty but with the threat of violence." the is is the fear of the dark it keeps building suspension. all the kids are getting scared of each other because they don't know how to keep safe.
Key details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing?
throughout the story there is a pattern with jack, he always tries to become a leader. 150," who's going to join my tribe?" and on 151 he repeats himself, " who'll join my tribe and have fun?" after several time son repeating himself he finally get some of the kids to follow him and allow him to be a later, meaning that jack wants be like Ralph.

I believe the chapter is called A view to death because Simon witnesses the dead paratrooper, and the boys end up brutally murdering Simon at the end of the chapter

demented (152) - “found themselves eager to take a place in this demented but partly secure society.”
If something is demented, it is driven to behave irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement.
She had a demented mind that led her to do bad things.
Corpulent "Then, as the blue material of the parachute collapsed the corpulent figure would bow forward..." (146): excessively fat.Trodden(148)-"...blown sand of above high water, warm, dry, trodden."
walk in a specified way.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by Cory James on Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:06 pm

Key details

Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing?

Yes I see a shift in the part where jack asks the other kids if they want to join his tribe, you see more people join his tribe because they somehow feel protected from the beast in his tribe. This part in the book shows how ralph has lost his power over the others. I think this shift in the book officially marks the beginning of the end. I think Jacks desire to be chief in Ralphs group drove him off the edge.

Key details

How does the author develop the argument, explanation, or narrative?

I think that the author develops his argument through ralph. Throughout last chapter and during part of this one ralph was convinced that Jack and the others would come back. I think that when Ralph sees how many people want to join Jacks tribe, he comes to the sudden realization that they are not coming back. It seems like throughout the book the more events that happen the less of a leader ralph becomes.

Golding names chapter nine “a view to a death” because Simon sees the beast, which is a paratrooper, but is ultimately killed because he wanted to tell the others what he saw. Simon viewed the thing that sent him to his death. I think it also represents how everyone has witnessed a death first hand.

Word study

Superficial (pg.152) "...while the chant lost its first superficial excitement and began to bat like a steady pulse."

Def: Not thorough, deep, or complete; cursory.

Sen: He had only the most superficial knowledge of foreign countries.

Inaudible (pg.149) "...and whispered something inaudible to Piggy..."

Def: Unable to be heard

Sen: his voice was inaudible in the crowd

Sauntered (pg.150) “Jack rose from the log that tugs his throne and sauntered…”

Def: Walk in a slow, relaxed manner, without hurry or effort.

Sen: Adam sauntered into the room.

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by Manthan21 on Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:02 pm

Where is figurative language used?
"the air was terrible" this is personification because it explains how the air is terrible and that is a human feature used to describe the air

Golding calls it “a view to a death” because this is the first chapter where there is a death in the boys group

Corruption (page 146) "The tangle of lines showed him the mechanics of this parody; he examined the white nasal bones, the teeth, the colors of corruption."
dimly(pg. 145) "At last he woke and saw dimly the dark earth close by his cheek." Friendly definition of _dimly: To do something weakly or without enough strength
Superficial(152)"...while the chant lost its first superficial excitement and began to bat like a steady pulse."
existing or occurring at or on the surface

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Re: Chapter 9 responses

Post by fwcarlitos_ on Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:01 pm

Why did Golding named the 9th chapter as "A view to a death"?
Because in this chapter Simon has a conversation with the Lord of the Flies, which is represented as the head of a death pig . And Simon dies soon after he has that conversation. Also, not mentioning he is the first human character whose death is described in the book.

Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
I think that Simon part of the story isn't clearly represented. When he passed out and woke up again. How did all the hunter boys not hear Simon shouting? If Simon were human and had human cries and after all that was trying to communicate to them about something did they not hear it? Yea maybe you can blame it on the storm and how loud it was .why did he go check out the dead pilot on the mountain top? Was there a reason as to why he so badly wanted to tell everyone that there was no such thing as the beast? Did he want to try to be the hero for once? Because he didn’t seem to have a voice earlier when he was asked what he thought if there was a beast or not. So why all of a sudden a burst of confidence to be able to speak in front of everyone? But couldn't they tell that once they got scare that it was a boy and not some inhuman beast That the "beast" didn't even fight back much less to be scare.

interspresed: to scattered
Dimly: To feel weak or no strength
Corpulent: walk in a specified way.

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