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Post by SamZiegler on Sat May 27, 2017 2:14 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure
How can meaning by altered by changing key words?
On page 88, Golding describes the kids as "...arguing,gesticulating shadows." This gives great meaning to this chapter, as it shows how the boys are transforming into shadows. This might not make sense, yet once you realize what a shadow represents, darkness, then it is understood. It is meant to show how the boys are becoming dark and evil. Also, shadows are associated with fear, which is definitely a major factor in this chapter, as a majority of the assembly is spent discussing the beast. If the word shadows was changing to something else, like figures, then the sentence loses so much of the meaning that was seen through the use of shadows as the description of the kids. Golding could have replaced shadows with a different word, but then all of the symbolism would be lost, and a key connection might not be made.
Vocabulary and Text Structure
What role do the individual paragraphs, sentences, phrases, or words play?
In this chapter, there are many times where individual words give a whole new meaning, whether it's to a whole page or just to a sentence. On page 92, the dance on the beach is described as "The sound of mock hunting, hysterical laughter, and real terror." This adds a whole new layer of depth to the image that the reader get when they read that sentence. Golding could have just said that the kids were running around, yelling, and they were scared, but that doesn't paint the same picture because the description just is not the same. With those couple of descriptive word that were added into the book, you can almost see a beach, where kids are pretending to hunt, laughing and yelling loudly, all while a sense of pure horror remains over them. This is what makes this sentence so important in the book. At first, it doesn't seem important, but upon further analysis, the reader can understand just how important and vivid it was.
Golding uses the title, Beast from Water, for chapter five. This is done because Percival believes that the beast that they have been afraid of actually comes from the water. As we learn later in the book, the beast did in fact come from the water, but it wasn't squid as the boys thought it to be. Rather, the beast was them, and they just didn't know it yet. This is foreshadowing what the beast is, as well as symbolism in some sense, as the beast symbolizes the boys.
Lamentably (pg. 77) On the left were four small logs, one of them-the farthest-lamentably springy.
If something is lamentable, it is bad or unsatisfactory.
The meal after the party was lamentable.
Derisive (pg. 86) The derisive laughter that rose had fear in it and condemnation.
If something is derisive, it is expressing contempt or ridicule.
The man was derisive with his answer.
Decorum (pg. 89) That was from Piggy, shocked out of decorum.
If someone exhibits decorum, they keep with good taste and propriety.
The children exhibited shocking decorum at the opera.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by MichaelNguyenPer4 on Tue May 30, 2017 6:07 pm

Key Details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing? Look for signal words and phrases.
A shift occurs (79) "We need an assembly. Not for fun. Not for laughing and falling off the log" This puts fear into the kids that live on the island. It does this because Ralph is being  to start to be really serious and wants to talk about more important things. This might become very scary for the littluns. Also, this is an important quote because this is showing that Ralph is becoming an actual leader.
Vocabulary & Text Structure
Does the meaning of words go beyond the denoted meaning? What is the connotative meaning of the words?
The meaning of these words (83) "Pig." "We eat pig." "Piggy!" represents that even tough the boys are still fearful of a beastie roaming the island. The fact that the beast eats pig is significant and symbolic. The beast of whom they speak is the boys or the evil within the boys. Also a foreshadowing.
Why did Goldberg titled the fifth chapter "Beast from Water"?
During Ralph's meeting just before dusk in Chapter 5, the realities of the beast become more clear. One of the littluns, Percival, who whispers to Jack, telling him that he believes the beast comes from the sea. Ralph, Simon and Piggy attempt to calm the littluns, telling them there is no beast. Jack promises to kill the beast that roams the island. This is the beginning of the breakdown on the island.
Convulsion (76) "With a convulsion of the mind, Ralph discovered..."
Definiton -  an abnormal violent and involuntary contraction or series of contractions of the muscles
Sentence - You are going to have some convulsion from this horror movie.
Ludicrous (78) "But Piggy, for all his ludicrous body, had brains."
Defintion - amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity, exaggeration, or eccentricity
Sentence - If the comedian made a ludicrous joke then we should see the comedian again!
tempestuously (91) "A shadow fronted me tempestuously."
Definition - a violent windstorm, especially one with rain, hail, or snow
Sentence - You just gave a huge tempest in class today.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by EthanGomez on Tue May 30, 2017 7:25 pm

Author's Purpose
From whose point of view is the text told?
-In page 76 the author describes what Ralph is doing and thinking, first he writes ''He turned then and walked backward the platform with the sun in his face'' meaning that he is moving, he is doing physical work; then, in the same page he writes ''He lost himself in a maze of thoughts that were rendered vague by his lack of words to express them'' which means that he has troubles on thinking what is he going to say, the author shows what is inside of Ralph's head. With this information the reader knows that the story is told in 3rd person omniscient.

Inference
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?
-In this chapter, some of the kids start thinking and believing that there is a beast or a monster near them, something that is watching what they are doing, one example of this is in page 84 where a little kid called Phil tell the kids that he dreamed on fighting with ''things''. The word things is important because he doesn't explains what kind of things, like how do they look or if they are animals or humans or monsters, at this moment nobody knows how does the beast look like, the concept of beast is an illusion created by their brains but they don't even know what they are afraid of. This is repeated in this chapter several times, but also, Ralph is the one who said there is nothing, he is the one who basically tell to all the other kids that the beast is just in their imagination.

I think that Golding called this chapter ''Beast from Water'' because at this part of the book, most of the children start believing that there is something outside, the kids think that there is certain kind of thing in the ocean, something that most of all are afraid of, and is the reason why the kids start losing control and going to the ''dark side'', with that expression I mean that they become kind of evil, they stop following the rules, and the only thing they want is to kill that beast, a beast that doesn't even exist...
-Subdued (pg 82): someone who is subdued is very quiet, often because they are sad or worried about something.
He faced the group, initially, in a somewhat subdued mood
-Sag (pg 87): when something sags, it hangs down loosely or sinks downward in the middle
Percivel sagged in Jack's grip
-Summon (pg 91): if you summon a quality, you make a great effort to have it
Ralph summoned his wits

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Johnson chen on Tue May 30, 2017 7:45 pm

Vocabulary & Text Structure
When is figurative language used and to what effect?
Golding uses foreshadowing at pg. 92-94 when Piggy says,"Remember that, all of you!" "What are we? Humans? Or animals? Or savages? What's grownups going to think? Going off-hunting pigs-letting fires out-and now!" When Piggy says the word savages it kind of reminds me of Jack's hunting party and what they're going to do later in the story. Since all Jack cares about is hunting pigs and killing the beast that everybody is afraid of. But what if he hunts something else instead of animals or the beast, something like humans maybe Ralph and Piggy. And also they have been arguing through out the whole assembly instead of having fun, which too could change Jack's mind of helping Ralph later on because all Ralph says is we're not following the rule.
Key Details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing? Look for signal words or phases
On pg. 79 Ralph says, "We need an assembly. Not for fun. Not for laughing and falling off log"...Not for these things. But to put things straight." This is a shift because this is like the first time where Ralph is actually becoming a real leader instead of going to the sea and swimming with the little boys. Also it shows the change of the assembly because usually it's just Ralph, Piggy, and Jack talking, but now it's the littluns turn to speak up.
Golding calls this chapter, Beasts from Water, because the littluns start to speak up about the beast and where it can come from. Some of them it lives in the sea and others say it is not a beast rather a ghost living in the sea. Everybody's theory about the beast starts to break the group because they don't know what to believe whether the beast is real or not or whether it's a beast or ghost.
Involuntarily (pg.88) Ralph turned involuntarily, a black, humped figure against him, considered the vast stretches of water...
If someone is involuntarily, then he or she is done without will or conscious control.
She gave an involuntary shudder.
Decorum ( pg.89) That was from Piggy, shocked out of decorum.
If someone is being decorum, then he or she is etiquette.
He had no idea of funeral decorum.
Discursive (pg.90) The assembly shredded away and became a discursive and random scatter from the palms to the water...
If someone or something is being discursive, then he or she or it is digressing from subject to subject.
Students often write dull, secondhand, discursive prose.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by BrandonN on Tue May 30, 2017 8:21 pm

Author's Purpose
From whose point of view is the text told?

Key Details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing?
In Chapter 5 Ralph is being more strict and being more of a leader trying to get everyone in order. He calls a meeting and rambles on for quiet some time. Even when the other boys tried to get the shell to speak up he did not let anyone talk until the end. While making sure what he felt and wanted was herd he forgot how everyone else feels, yes they feel scared but what about what they want?
  Golding use "Beast from Water" for the chapter 5 title because Percival  says that the beast comes from the water. Which scares all the kids, but if there is a beast Jack says he will kill it. This beast is spliting up the group even more.
Word study:
Splendors (pg.76) Splendors of the sunlight he went carefully but
If something is splendors it has a magnificent and splendid appearance.
A rainbow has a splendors sight.
Convulsion (pg.76) the front of his thighs, with a convulsion of the wild
If something is convulsion it has a sudden, violent, irregular movement of a limb or of the body.
Body builders can often have a convulsion.
Lamentably (pg.77) four small logs, one of them - the farthest - lamentably
If someone has a lamentably time they have a regrettable; unfortunate time.
Lepercons never have a lamentably time.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by _Karlitos :v on Wed May 31, 2017 1:49 am

*Text-depending questions
-Vocabulary & text structure
What role do the individual paragraphs, sentences, phrases, or words play?
In pg. 76: "...noticed too how the frayed edges of his shorts were making an unconfortable, pink area on the front of his thighs. With a convulsion of the mind, Ralph discovered dirt and decay, understood how much he disliked perpetually flicking the tangled hair out of his eyes, and at last, when the sun was gone, rolling noisily to rest among dry leaves."
And pg. 78: "This made you think; because thought was a valuable thing, that got results...Only, decided Ralph as he faced the chief's seat, i can't think. Not like Piggy... Ralph was a specialist in thought now, and could recognize thought in another."
Golding, through these paragraphs, is explaining us how is Ralph evolving as a character, because he is realizing his deplorable situation and his thinking capacity has improved. This is demonstrated when he reinforces the importance of keeping the fire going for being rescued with a better speech and arguments than before; evidence in pg. 80, when Ralph says in his assembly: " The fire is the most important thing on the island. How can we ever be rescued exept by luck, if we don't keep a fire going?" in pg. 81: " You hunters! You can laugh! But I tell you the smoke is more important than the pig, however often you kill one...We've got to make smoke up there or die. in pg. 82: "Things are breaking up. I don't understand why. We began well; we were happly. And then..." And in pg. 92: " If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We shan't keep the fire going. We'll be like animals. We 'll never be rescued."
-key details
Which details support the key idea? Look for the Who?
In pg. 89: "Maybe there is a beast... it's only us. We could be sort off... Simon became inarticulate in his effort to express mankind's essential illness. Inspiration came to him."
These paragraph fragments support the key idea of the whole book, which is about mankind's essential illness. In Simon's words, the "Beast" (who I think is The lord of the flies/ Beelzebub) represented the essential illnes.
- Why did the author titled teh fifth chapter as "Beast from water"?
Because in pg. 88 : "'He says the beast comes out of the sea."' A "littlun" named Percival said that. And then Maurice discussed with Ralph about if what Percival said can be true or not; this triggered the neccesity of Simon to speak about what he thinked the beast was. he thinked the beast was the mankin's essential illness, which is the main theme of the book.
Words I don't know:
*Jeering (pg. 76): "He stopped, facing the strip; and remembering that first enthusiastic exploration as though it were part of a brighter childhood, he smiled jeeringly." Friendly definition of _jeering: When you make rude and mocking remarks about someone or something. Sentence with jeering: They were jeering at the fat guy when he was eating his burger with extra bacon.
*grumble: "Jack sat down, grumbling." Friendly definition of _grumble: When you complain or protest about something in a quiet way. Sentence with grumble: He was grumbling after his teacher assigned him an argumentative essay for the next day.
*decorum (pg. 89): "That was from Piggy, shocked out of decorum." Friendly definition of _decorum: When you behave keeping good taste and propiety. Sentence with decorum: His children behave with decorum and never disobey him.




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Chapter 5 Responses

Post by Megan G on Wed May 31, 2017 6:52 pm

Author's Purpose
From whose point of view is the text told?

The story is told at 3rd person omniscient. (Pg. 76) "Ralph chose the firm strip as a path because he needed to think, and to watch them." (Pg. 78) "Only, decided Ralph as he faced the chief's seat, I can't think. Not like Piggy" This shows how Golding is knowing what Ralph is thinking and what he's saying.

Inferences
Where does the text leave matters uncertain or unstated?

In the chapter the boys start to believe there is a beast on the island. A little boy named Phil tells the others about things he's seeing in his dreams and he calls them things. The readers do not know what the things are. Are they animals? Are they just imaginary "beasts"? "Last night I had a dream [...] fighting with things" (pg. 84)

The chapter is called "Beast from Water" because the little boys talk about a "beast from the water" in the chapter. (pg. 88) "He says the beast come out of the sea."

Vocabulary

lamentably (pg. 77) - "On the left were four small logs, one of them-the farthest- lamentably springy."
Friendly Definition: (of circumstances or conditions) deplorably bad or unsatisfactory.

apex (pg. 77) - "Then, at the apex, the grass was thick again..."
Friendly Definition: the top or highest part of something, especially one forming a point.

ludicrous (pg. 78) - "But Piggy, for all his ludicrous body, had brains."
Friendly Definition: so foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing; ridiculous.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by aya on Wed May 31, 2017 9:22 pm

1) Vocabulary and text structure – what role do the individual paragraphs, sentences, phrases, or words play?
- On the beginning of chapter five, page 76, William Golding’s writes, “He found himself understanding the wearisomeness of his life, where every path was an improvisation and a considerable part of ones waking life was spent watching one’s feet.” Golding is saying that ralph is growing up. His path is his life, and walking is the journey. Ralph is no longer a kid. He is a leader with responsibilities. He has to watch out and protect his position, or else jack would try to take it. That is why he says, “There must be no mistake about this assembly, no chasing imaginary.” He realizes that this is real life, it’s no game. He thinks like a grownup now, and it’s wearisome to be a grownup.
2) Why does the author name the chapter “Beast from Water”?
-This chapter is named ‘Beast from Water’ because in the assembly, one of the smaller boys talks about a beast that they saw at night. Ralph tells them there is no beast, because where would a beast be if they have been all around the island and never seen it. Again, one of the smaller boys suggests that the beast lives in the water, hence why it’s called “Beast from Water.”
1) Derisive (86) – “The derisive laughter that rose had fear in it and condemnation.”
- If someone is derisive, they are expressing contempt or ridicule.
-she let out a derisive laugh after telling her cruel joke.
2) Absurdly (87) – “presently they were all laughing so absurdly that the biguns joined it.”
- If someone does something absurdly, they are doing it in a ridiculous way.
- She talked about her boyfriend absurdly.
3) Involuntarily (88) – “Ralph turned involuntarily, a black, humped figure against the lagoon.”
- If someone does something involuntarily, they are doing it without will or control.
- His face scrunched up involuntarily about the thought.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by ZavionGuy on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:33 am

1.
Vocabulary and Text Structure
How can meaning by altered by changing key words?
On page 88, Golding describes the kids as "...arguing,gesticulating shadows." It shows how the boys are transforming into shadows. The shadow represents darkness and in some cases evil. It is meant to show how the boys are becoming dark and evil. If the word shadows was changing to something else, like figures, then the sentence loses its negative connotation that is seen through the use of shadow. Golding could have replaced shadows with a different word, but then the negative connotation would not be represented.

Key Details
Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing? Look for signal words or phases
On pg. 79 Ralph says, "We need an assembly. Not for fun. Not for laughing and falling off log...Not for these things. But to put things straight." This is the first time where Ralph is showing he is a leader and taking command of all little boys. Also it shows the change of the assembly because usually it's just Ralph, Piggy, and Jack talking, but now everyone else needs to speak up.
2.
Golding calls this chapter, Beasts from Water, because the boys are actually the beast that they have been talking about, and they spend most of their time in the water. They think that it's a squid but they don't realize that it's them.
3.
Considerable pg 76, if something is considerable then it is a large amount or size. "... where every path was an improvisation and a considerable part of one's waking life..." I have a considerable amount of money.
Enthusiastic pg 76, if someone is enthusiastic then he or she has a lot of energy. "...that first enthusiastic exploration as though it were part of a brighter childhood." The little boy is so enthusiastic.
Vague pg 76, If something is vague then it doesn't have a lot of information. "He lost himself in a maze of thoughts that were rendered vague by his lack of words to express them." Your paper is so vague.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by MNguyen23 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:15 pm

Authors Purpose
From whose point of view is the text told?
The text is told in 3rd person omniscent. On pg 76 Golding says "Ralph chose the firm strip as a path because he needed to think, and to watch them" as well as on pg 78 he says " only decided Ralph as he faced the chief's seat, I can't think. Not like piggy". These quotes of evidence state that Golding knows Ralph is saying and thinking before he even states them.

Vocab and Text Structure
When is fig language used and to what effect?
Golding describes foreshadowing on pgs 92-94. He states "Remember that, all of you!"What are we? Humans? Going off hunting pigs letting fires out and now". This describes how Golding says that it seems similar to Jacks party and all he likes doing is hunting pigs and consuming them.

The chapter is called Beast of water because the boys always talk about the water in the ocean.

Vocab
lamentaly: To be bad or unsatisfactory
ludricrous: To be foolish or unreasonable
Absurdly: TO be crazy or do something crazy

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by its.amy.13 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:29 pm



Author's Purpose
What's the author's purpose for writing- entertain, inform, or persuade? How do you know?
I think the author's purpose for this chapter is that Golding is informing its readers about how people can be influenced by the majority. when ralph calls a meeting to discuss the goings on around the island he has got the attention and much needed silence of all the children. It shows that even in the chaos of not having much of a system there is always a leader that tells the others what's what. He has informed us that within the many children there is only one main person that has the wit to think about every possibility, every calculation, every solution, and this is Piggy himself. Piggy as it says on pg. 90 "I don’t believe in no ghost-ever!" Piggy has the intelligence of one that much older than him. Golding is informing us on how each and every society works. There is someone who goes against anything the one in command says, there's one whispering smart things into the leaders ear, the is a leader, and there are bystanders that like to put their input in the conversation every once in a while. Golding is writing this to teach us something about how our society is run. How it is controlled. I think he trying to say that some of the leaders have really good intentions, but the leaders don’t always come across that way. It's like when your mother yells at you to get out of the street, and all you have to say to that is she was just being mean making you move. In reality though, she was trying to protect you from harm. I think that’s what Ralph and Jack are trying to do but two totally different tactics.

Golding name this chapter "Beast from Water" bc everyone believes that the beast is on the island with them. They have thought there was a beast on the island but now that someone has finally mentioned it in the open they might be frightened of the sea as well. It might be a turning point for all of them. They are actually letting the island get the best of them. They all are starting to lose it a little bit. Each day is another day they aren't rescued, and it's anther day they are all trapped on an island with not only one beast on the mountain top but now two beasts one in the sea.

Crude(89)-"silence that followed it the one crude expressive syllable."
in a natural or raw state; not yet processed or refined.
Recollection(85)-"He paused, half-frightened by the recollection yet proud of the sensation he was creating."
the action or faculty of remembering something.
Solemnity(78)-"were impressed by the general air of solemnity."
he state or quality of being serious and dignified.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Karen P on Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:36 pm

Vocabulary and Text Structure:
How does organization contribute to meaning?
You can realize that along the book, from the beginning starts the idea of a beast, created by the kids that were frightened of being on a place inhabited. Golding organized this idea including more and more through each chapter, every time the topic was more important, until chapter five this clashed as the main problem affecting not only the little ones but the big ones as the chief too.

Opinions, Arguments, Intertextual Connections:
What is your opinion about the text? What evidence do you have to support your opinion?
I think that this chapter shows somehow the innocence that kids have along their childhood like believe in a monster under their beds, showing their need to have a monster on the story even thought this doesn't exist. This idea of nonexistent creature is shown through the reasoning that is represented by Ralph who somehow does not believe in this beast, so Piggy do too -the science- who says on page 92 to Ralph that that couldn't make any sense.

The reason that might explain the name of chapter five "Beast From The Water" could be the focus of the kids to the certain topic of the beast, worried, setting this 'problem' as a priority this far; so the fight between the reasoning and the fear starts with an Assembly that as Ralph said was going to be with no fun, but sober as the topic is supposed to be now.

Word Study:
1. Speculation (page 78): "Again he fell into a strange mood of speculation that was so foreign to him."
the contemplation or consideration of some subject
2. Effigy (page 87): "At the first he was a silent effigy of sorrow..."
a representation or image, especially sculptured, as on a monument.
3. Subsided (page 88): "The meeting subsided"
the tip, point, or vertex; summit.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Jack Spalding on Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:05 pm

\General Understanding
What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?
It shows how fast fear can spread around if one person gets scared and how Jack is planning to bring down Ralph by getting the Littluns scare d of what is in the water and thinking that Ralph wont be able to protect them. "And you shut up! Who are you, anyway? Sitting there telling people what to do. You can't hunt, you can't sing-" Jack said in response to Ralph telling Jack to stop talking because he was not holding the conch

\Vocabulary and Text Structure
Does the meaning of words go beyond the detonated meaning? What is the connotation meaning of the words?

\Chapter 5 is named Beast from Water because it is the first time that the Beast from Water is mentioned in a meeting by Percival, one of the Littluns, who told Jack after Percival had stop crying.

\Apex (77): "Then, at the apex, the grass was thick again because no one sat there." The top or highest part of something, especially one forming a point.
\Crude(89): "Silence that followed it the one crude expressive syllable."
in a natural or raw state.
\Decorum (89): "That was from Piggy, shocked out of decorum." When you behave keeping good taste and propriety.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by cesar.ca on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:31 pm

-The second littlun has lost his connection to the previous world. What does this precipitate?
---The rest of the littluns begin to cry with Percival. Then he reveals that "the beast comes out of the sea." (Pg. 88) This is a moment that will haunt the boys. The sea itself surrounds them, is mysterious, prevents their rescue, and holds too much unknown for them to deal with intelligently. If a terror comes from the water, it must be powerful.

-What do you think Simon means when he says, "Maybe there is a beast"?
---He means maybe they are the beast as they are turning on each other and becoming savages. What he is trying to suggest is that it is them, something in them, which is the beast they are so troubled by. Golding refers to it here as "mankind's essential illness," meaning the unchecked human nature in all of us which is prone to evil when there is no civilizing force or authority to hold it back.

Key Word:

1. Ludicrous "But Piggy, for all his ludicrous body, had brains." (78): laugibly and obviously absurd; foolish
2. Ineffectual "Piggy tiptoed to the triangle, his ineffectual protest made, and joined the others." (79): insufficient to produce an effect; useless
3. Inarticulate "Simon became inarticulate in his effort to express man kind's essential illness." (89): incomprehensible; unable to speak with clarity

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Marcelinocacho on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:41 am

Vocabulary and Text Structure: does the book go beyond the denotated meaning? or cinotated meanig?

no the book does not go that in detail past denotated meaning. it goes straight to the point.

Opinions, Arguments, Intertextual Connections:
What is your opinion about the text?

my opinion about the text is that they need to stay as a group because to me it seems like they are segregating away from each other and Jack is pushing Ralph away because they have there differences. especially when they are referring to the monster

The reason i think william Golding might of named the chapter "maybe there is a beast" because the children think there is a beast with them on the island and this is a cause of some of the conflict in the book and emotional tension.


ludicrous: To be foolish or unreasonable
Ralph thought the kids were ludicrous because of the beast

convulsion: an abnormal violent and involuntary contraction or series of contractions of the muscles

Apex: the top or highest point.


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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Cory James on Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:58 pm

General Understanding

What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?

The key idea we see in this chapter is the spread of fear, and how the fear of one little kid became the fear of all the little kids. Up until this chapter they really didn’t pay much attention to the beast. I think that once things started to break down the fears came out because they didn’t know if they could be protected. I also think for all the time leading up to this chapter that they were hiding their fears because a few chapters back the children were reportedly having nightmares while sleeping.

Authors Purpose

From whose point of view is the text told?

I think the text is told from 3rd person omniscient because the narrator often talks about a characters thoughts and feelings. On pg. 78 the narrator says “Only, decided Ralph as he faced the chief's seat, I can't think. Not like Piggy.” this passage shows that the narrator is all knowing because they know what ralph is thinking.

Golding uses the title beast from the water because that’s where they think the beast comes from. In reality the beast are them, the hysteria of the beast spreads from one kid to another like a virus. They all scare themselves by thinking about what the beast could be, the real beast that is scaring the kids, is themselves.

Word study

Convulsion (pg.76) “the front of his thighs, with a convulsion of the wild.”

Def: a sudden, violent, irregular movement of a limb or of the body, caused by involuntary contraction of muscles.

Sen: The forest fairly rocked under the convulsion of the elements.

Derisive (pg.86) “The derisive laughter that rose had fear in it and condemnation.”

Def: expressing contempt or ridicule.

Sen: Derisive chuckles filled the room as the speaker left the stage.

Subdued (pg.82) “He faced the group, initially, in a somewhat subdued mood.”

Def: quiet and rather reflective or depressed.

Sen: He was subdued by the events of the other day.

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Chapter 5 response

Post by Broseph:D on Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:34 pm

Questions:
How do the parts build to a whole?
Starting in chapter 5, the fear of unknowing the unknown on the island comes to the heads of the young boys. All their fears combined created the beast. Although, people like Jack would try to hide their fears and goes along with being the toughest boy out of everyone on the island, he knows that he doesn't fully know what he is going up against.
How does organization contribute to meaning?
This would take part in how Jack tries to stand out than Ralph, saying how he and his group of hunters would kill the so called beast on the island. He wants to prove to everyone how he could be more fearless and ruthless than any other boy. Very few disagreeing with him as well.

The name of chapter 5 is called "Beast from Water" due to how the boys think that the evil/monsters on the island can come out anywhere. One boy claiming that the beast will be coming out of the shallow waters.

Word study:
Subdued: "...while the fire was out were subdued by the thought of Ralph's anger..."(pg.78) Quiet and reflective/depressed. Sentence: I felt rather subdued as I was driving home that night.
Contempt: "Jack settled the question for them with that contenpt in his that sound so funny and so final."(pg.85) The feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration. Sentence: He showed his contempt for his job by doing it very badly.
Intimidation: "...far beyond the reach of authority or even physical intimidation."(pg.87) An indication or hint. Sentence: The first intimations of trouble.

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Manthan21 on Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:19 pm

Are there any shifts or patterns in the writing? Look for signal words and phrases.
A shift occurs on pg.79 "We need an assembly. Not for fun. Not for laughing and falling off the log." In the story all the kids at first get along and everything is civilized. But now everything is falling apart.

What is your opinion about the text?
The book has a lot of questions about "civilization" and whether humans in a natural state are more or less civilized than in organized society. It also contorts the idea that children are innocent and basically good at heart. It's a tale of survival under extreme duress. It's a social study of competition, male relationships, and political striving.

He named it that because the beast could be in the water or land and they still do not know if the beast is real or not

Subdued: "...while the fire was out were subdued by the thought of Ralph's anger..."(pg.78) Quiet and reflective
Ineffectual "Piggy tiptoed to the triangle, his ineffectual protest made, and joined the others." (79): insufficient to produce an effect
Effigy (page 87): "At the first he was a silent effigy of sorrow..."
a representation or image, especially sculptured, as on a monument

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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Kyle Peeples on Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:32 am

Vocabulary and Text Structure:

Why does Golding use the word "wearisomeness" to describe Ralph? (pg 76)

I believe that Golding used the word "wearisomeness" to describe Ralph because it shows that he is not just tired, and that there was something else wrong with him.

General Understanding:

What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?

I think the key idea or theme of the text is the children thought that life would be good and that they'd be safe even without a set of rules or adults, but in the chapter, as Golding describes, Ralph is wearisome, which shows it was not what the children had hoped it would be. (pg 76)

Vocab:

Wearisomeness: Tired, worn out
Astonishment: A great surprise
Perpetually: A way that never ends or changes.


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Re: Chapter Five Responses

Post by Kyle Peeples on Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:32 am

Vocabulary and Text Structure:

Why does Golding use the word "wearisomeness" to describe Ralph? (pg 76)

I believe that Golding used the word "wearisomeness" to describe Ralph because it shows that he is not just tired, and that there was something else wrong with him.

General Understanding:

What is the key idea/theme of the text? What is the evidence?

I think the key idea or theme of the text is the children thought that life would be good and that they'd be safe even without a set of rules or adults, but in the chapter, as Golding describes, Ralph is wearisome, which shows it was not what the children had hoped it would be. (pg 76)

Vocab:

Wearisomeness: Tired, worn out
Astonishment: A great surprise
Perpetually: A way that never ends or changes.


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